New California Bill Proposes Tracking Ammunition Sales
By Kymberly Bays | 08/09/2012 | California, Headline, Legislation, Legislators, Safety | 39 Comments
Legislation requiring law enforcement notification of ammunition sales of more than 1,000 rounds was introduced by California state lawmakers on Wednesday.
Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley), Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) and Senator Loni Hancock (D-Oakland) co-authored AB 2512.
“Among the most shocking details from the shooting massacre in Colorado is the undetected stockpiling of mass ammunition and weapons by the alleged shooter,” Assemblywoman Skinner said in a statement. “While incidents like Aurora may be rare, gun violence is an ongoing, yet unnecessary threat in communities throughout California. As lawmakers we need to do everything we can to minimize it.”
The proposal would require vendors “who sell, supply, deliver, or give possession of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an individual within any five day period to report the transaction to the local law enforcement agency where the individual resides within 24 hours.”
“California has been a national leader in adopting thoughtful gun safety laws,” said AB 2512 co-author Senator Hancock. “This legislation will close a loophole that allows people to purchase large caches of deadly ammunition without law enforcement’s knowledge and devices intended to get around the ban on large capacity cartridges.”
In the weeks prior to the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado, the suspected gunman purchased more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the internet without triggering suspicion. The bill’s authors aim for AB 2512 to provide a level of oversight they feel is lacking and could avoid similar outcomes in California.
Additionally, the bill would outlaw the sale of devices capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine, commonly called “clip kits”.
California state law does not requiring tracking or reporting of large-quantity ammunition transactions.
“We want to do what we can to prevent future deadly attacks with multiple casualties,” said Assemblyman Ammiano, also a co-author of the bill. “Why not make it harder for perpetrators to fire off hundreds of rounds of ammunition in a short time?”
The newly introduced bill to track ammunition sales joins fellow pending legislation SB 239, targeting clip restrictions for semi-automatic weapons. That bill is backed by Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco), Senate President Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) and Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris.





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Matt Metzner
08.09.2012
@mmetzner
Reporting doesn’t solve the problem, it just alerts law enforcement and makes it a slight headache for anyone buying that many rounds.
Bob Morris
08.09.2012
@Bob_Morris
Just buy 900 rounds multiple times…
Mike
08.09.2012
It sounds crazy and super-far-right, but just for a minute, imagine if at least one other person in the Aurora theater had a gun. Here’s how it might play out: Holmes fires his first shots into the crowd and throws tear gas. The guy at the other end of the theater pulls his handgun and shoots Holmes in the gas mask. Game over. A couple innocent wounded, one dead bad guy, and one hero.
It’s stupid, hyper-dramatic, unrealistic, sure… but just think about it. If a large portion of citizens carried firearms (and were trained to use them) it would be very difficult for such massacres to occur.
Joey
08.10.2012
This Dems are stoned. They just want recognition go get some tube steak!!!
Rich
08.10.2012
Since one can only shoot 1 round at a time, explain how 900 or 100,000 rounds would be a threat to anyone?
AD-RtR/OS!
08.10.2012
Rich:
You’re asking for a level of reasoning and rationality far beyond the competency of CA State Legislators.
AD-RtR/OS!
08.10.2012
Since keeping track of this data costs money, and CA is so flush with that commodity, the local authorities will rush to support this legislation because it means that they can increase staff for this purpose, and the State will pay for it. What’s not to like?
What do you mean that CA doesn’t have any money?
If that was the case, wouldn’t the Legislature be working to solve our economic problems rather than adding to them?
Just what kind of people have we put in control?
(Yeah, I know, it’s a rhetorical question)
Justin
08.10.2012
6000 rounds isn’t a lot. I shoot that at the range in 3 month period. It doesn’t close any loophole as there need to be a law already in place for there to be a loophole. California needs to quit stomping on the rights of Americans and focus on the states energy, and financial crisis’.
Francis J Wilhelm
08.11.2012
A daunting task.
Stephen Lumpkin
08.11.2012
No.
John Conley
08.11.2012
While the events in Colorado is unfortunate and tragic, this will not do anything.. Just buy in 500 rd increments, the law defeated.. …
However, the Colorado shooter’s shrink reported the guy, and the police didn’t investigate….oddly enough this was the LAW for years now when a pysch thinks a patient is going to go violent-they have a duty to report..and that worked well-NOT.
However:
————–ASSEMBLYWOMAN DRAFTING BILL TO TRACK AMMUNITION SALES….Legislation is being drafted by Skinner, a Berkeley Democrat, that would require law enforcement to be notified by the seller when a customer buys more than 1,000 pounds of ammunition. “It’s not that many. We went out and shot yesterday. You could shoot 1,000 rounds easy,” said one Bakersfield gun enthusiast when asked his opinion about Skinner’s idea. [ORDERING MORE POLICE IN YOUR LIFE JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO TARGET SHOOTING or TAKE A SOME TRAINING....]….
http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/Assemblywoman-drafting-bill-to-track-ammunition-sales-165520436.html
So, how many people, innocent people, will have the police giving them a call? Or using the reporting as “probable cause” for a search warrant “just in case” ?…….
I took a two day advanced CCW course and bought 1000 rds… and shot it all.. am I a bad guy? Nope. …
One other law attempting to regulate ammo was declared Unconstitutional….
Isaac Cubillos
08.11.2012
This won’t accomplish anything, if you can go to Arizona and load up.
Rebecca Wright
08.11.2012
Sounds expensive
Howard Dully
08.11.2012
Does this include reloading your own shells ??
Bill Ninety-nine Percent Rogers
08.11.2012
It won’t solve the problem, but it will certainly help…as long as it’s not politically guided away from the gun fetishists.
Tom Bongiorno
08.11.2012
….OH people of Kalifornia when will you fire your Nanny? so people buy 500 round lots for a few weeks…..Where there is a will..there is a way. Laws don’t prevent lawbreakers.
Jon Anderson
08.11.2012
More stupidity from Sacramental…
Laura Sheeley
08.11.2012
common sense dictates that it won’t work.
just imagine how many law-abiding people who will be tracked whilst the law-breaker slips the the sheer cracks of the numbers.
wasteful of time, manpower and funds.
Dustin Barham
08.11.2012
Money is not a problem, they just print more. Just gearing up for future martial law.
Beverly Armstrong-Ethridge
08.11.2012
Ok just one more reason to get out of CA.
Kathy Jones
08.11.2012
All while cities are going bankrupt and they have no clue how they qill balance their next fiscal budget. But they have time for this. Will not work and quite frankly is pretty stupid.
Justin Buell
08.11.2012
How will this decrease gun violence?
George Bennett
08.11.2012
Wrong, wrong, wrong! When will these BS politicians learn, criminals don’t respect the law! :-(
Eli Whitney
08.11.2012
they cant track everything, they need to implement this in other areas as well…but its a slow system…
nunya
08.11.2012
Eli, how could this help in any area? How many rounds did the shooter, who was reported to the police as a danger to society but the police did nothing, actually fire? It was far less than 1000. So, even if this idiotic law that would do nothing more than harass law abiding citizens who happen to be avid shooters was put in place it would not have stopped him from buying all the ammunition he actually used. Instead of laws like this I think crotch rockets should be outlawed, how many people who ride sport bikes actually obey the speed limit? By implementing and enforcing the common sense sport bike ban nationwide we would naturally see a reduction in speed related deaths. If you don’t want someone taking away your rights stay the hell away from theirs!
Mary Ann Wilson-Putman
08.11.2012
No, just more government interference in a supposedly free land.
Michael Hill
08.11.2012
I am opposed to this.
Jess Kalinowsky
08.11.2012
Database the sales of the weapon, the ammunition, and the arrest record if one after the purchase. NO SALE to anyone with a arrest record for a serious crime. NO ASSULT weapons to anyone for any reason, ever!
Peg Wright
08.11.2012
all up in everybodys business …. get a friggin life, nobody is gonna bow at your feet for ‘saving the world’ – geez !
Mike Dodson
08.11.2012
Another worthless law
Bryan Whiteaker
08.11.2012
How many trees do they hafta kill to get around the second amendment?
Colin Leidner
08.11.2012
Didn’t they already try this bs 2 years ago. Wasn’t it determined it was unconstitutional then?
Adam Luke
08.19.2012
@adamluke
good catch Colin, The previous bill you are thinking of is AB962, it was struct down because of being to “vague”, Ab2512 closes one of the loop holes the court focused on when overturned. This one is slightly different then AB962 but just the same beast repackaged.
Billy Cummings
08.11.2012
Since when has unconstitutional ever stopped Libs?
Beverly Armstrong-Ethridge
08.11.2012
NO and what part don’t you understand? Bad guys will still have the guns.
Sanjay
08.13.2012
When non-White gangs are raping and annihilating your family you need heavy weapons to defend your family, property and people.
That is what the zionist agenda is. To take guns away from White people. To flood them with masses of non-whites. To plunder them and dispossess them.
And whites are completely paralyzed in the face of this assault.
Adam Luke
08.19.2012
@adamluke
What has not been discussed is the real cost of such a program. Canada lost billions on a system to track ONLY long gun purchases, which happen MUCH less frequently then ammunition sales. The cost of creating the infrastructure alone would probably render the program inefficient in providing Law Enforcement with information
Rooster Cogburn
12.08.2012
Great idea, faggots. Maybe then we can make it so only criminals and cops have guns. Fucking bay area floozy. Try increasing citizen (WITH NO CRIMINAL RECORD) access to guns. Then citizens will have a chance against the criminal state the bay area has created. Good job faggots.
God
12.08.2012
DETHRONE THE REAL CRIMINALS – AKA AMMIANO, HANCOCK, AND SKINNER. FUCKING IDIOTS YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS IN THE NAME OF FALSE SECURITY