Initial Jobless Claims Drop To Four-Year Low
By Shawn M. Griffiths on 10/12/2012 in Barack Obama, Election 2012, employment, Jobless Claims, jobs, Joe Biden, mitt romney, paul ryan, unemployment, US Department of Labor, Vice Presidential Debate with 29 CommentsRead Time: 3 - 4 minutes

The first full week of October was a good one for the labor market, according to the latest report from the Employment and Training Administration. The number of applications for unemployment insurance dropped 30,000 from a revised figure of 369,000 from the previous week to 339,000 in the week ending October 6.
Three weeks ago, initial jobless claims plummeted to a two-month low. Last week, they fell to a four and a half year low. Such a dramatic decline in the pace of layoffs is welcomed news for many who are looking for consistent figures that show notable improvement in the labor market.
The 4-week moving average for the week ending October 6, considered to be a less volatile number, also decreased by 11,500 from the previous week to 364,000. The advance number for insured unemployment during the week ending September 29 also declined, but the insured unemployment rate remained unchanged at 2.6 percent, which has remained consistent for several weeks.
While improvement in the layoffs side is good news, job creation has been less than stellar. Americans are witnessing consecutive months of job growth, but it has been modest growth at best and hasn’t kept up with population growth. The unemployment rate, which fell to an astonishing 7.8 percent, dropped 0.3 percent after an increase of only 114,000 jobs. This has raised some eyebrows.
The unemployment rate can often be misleading. There are a number of variables that go into calculating the rate. It doesn’t count “discouraged workers,” which is the reason the rate has been as low as it is. The rate doesn’t count people who are in part-time jobs, but want to be or need to be in full-time jobs. It is best to look specifically at net job growth, total employment, the pace of layoffs, and actual unemployment.
US Labor Department officials confirmed that the number of initial jobless claims was as low as it was because California didn’t release all of its initial jobless figures. One official claimed that the incomplete claims data was the result of a “processing issue.”
Considering there are refineries in the state that recently shut down, Americans will likely see the number of first-time unemployment claims rise to some degree in the revised figures for the week ending October 6, as well as the seasonably adjusted figures for the current week.
However, economists want people to know that there is still improvement in the labor market. Voters are looking at the job numbers and the unemployment figures as we get closer to Election Day. It surprised many commentators and political analysts that the debate between Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan on Thursday night didn’t focus on the economy more extensively.
Americans need to know that there is improvement because there is so much misinformation floating around online and in social media. For the sake of gaining political advantage, there are some that would convince consumers that the state of the labor market and the economy is worse than it was when Obama took office, which couldn’t be further from the truth.
The biggest problem is the extreme polarization that has a firm grip on our nation’s capital. America is facing an impending fiscal cliff which could drive up unemployment and plunge the country back into recession unless elected officials in Washington can find a way to cooperate. It is likely that an eleventh-hour compromise will be reached, but many voters feel disenchanted by hyper-partisanship on Capitol Hill.





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Matt Metzner
10.12.2012
@mmetzner
I’d be interested to see what happens to these numbers once California submits their data. So far it’s an incomplete set.
Michael Higham
10.12.2012
@michaelhigham
While unemployment is moving in the right direction, numbers can be spun so easily for either side of an argument.
The last point about the fiscal cliff is good one. “Falling off” the fiscal cliff is projected to drive unemployment over 9 percent, almost undoing the progress that is being made right now. However, I don’t think politicians will let that happen since it would have serious implications for their own job security.
Lucas Eaves
10.12.2012
@lucaseaves
With so many different numbers and variables to take into account to decide if the economy is getting better that its difficult to really know the truth.
Jane Susskind
10.12.2012
@jsusskind
Modest growth is better than no growth. Any good news is welcomed and should not be ignored for political reasons. I think it’s important that people know the numbers and see growth. Optimism is important to recovery.
Blaz Gutierrez
10.12.2012
@blazgutierrez
Totally agree – the “extreme polarization” that Shawn mentions in his closing is disheartening. Politicians can never agree who to be happy for – Dems or Reps. Why can’t they be happy that just a few more people are working and then figure out how to apply that success to other people?
Alex Gauthier
10.12.2012
@alexg
There’s a ton of noise floating around about job numbers. Great to see a clear look at what facts matter.
Emma Goda
10.13.2012
@emmagoda
I think these numbers can be misleading overall
tanstaafl
10.12.2012
I thought we were to expect less partisanship on IVN.. Yet, this author picks a misleading headline, then adds a pro-Obama argument based on imagination.
Headline: The stats did NOT include Calif. They were released early by Obama admin — possibly to help create a mis-impression of a better economy than actually exists. The author should not have withheld informing us of the incomplete data (no Calif data) to the 6th or 8th paragraph after the rosy headline.
Then the author adds this partisan (and mistaken) Obama boost >>>
For the sake of gaining political advantage, there are some that would convince consumers that the state of the labor market and the economy is worse than it was when Obama took office, which couldn’t be further from the truth. <<<> the net loss of 3 million jobs since Obama, the loss of massive amounts of personal wealth by the middle class, the $3,00 to $4,000 per year reduction of average family income, concurrent doubling of the price of gasoline, and the U-6 unemployment rate from the BLS is stuck at between 14% and 15%. These are NOT good times…..and that’s the truth.
Chad Peace
10.13.2012
@Chad_Peace
IVN is an open platform. The author substantiated his story. You can submit your own substantiated story at [email protected], and so long as it meets the etiquette guidelines, it will be posted.
Please also note that the author speaks for himself. That is the nature of a PLATFORM for all voices. If you rush to judgment about an entire platform based on your disagreement (or maybe the author makes a mistake or just has a different angle?) then I suppose it is very difficult for all of us to take a deep breath and just have a discussion.
Tom McKeown
10.14.2012
The number will continue to decline as fewer people will be eligible to apply. When one exhausts their 99 weeks as many have, it takes a long time to get back on the line. Thge numbers are being manipulated to attempt to show “hopeful” progress. The real situation has not gotten any better as many more have just given up looking. We just do not have the work for 12-16M illegals from anywhere, nor do we have the fiscal capacity to put them on a support plan!
Shawn M. Griffiths
10.14.2012
@shawntx
The total number of insured unemployment will decline as people exhaust their 99 weeks, but this weekly report from the ETA is look at the pace of layoffs, which has improved significantly. First-time applications are down 15% from last year. The improvement in the labor market is too slow at the moment, but it’s better than the situation we were in four years ago.
Johnny Ritchie
10.14.2012
Actually losing 800,000 jobs per month, or jobs positive for 31 months, I choose the jobs positives.
Malaki Seku-Amen
10.14.2012
If there are 30k less newly unemployed people applying for UI benefits, that’s a GOOD thing!!! The positive growth of new jobs being created is good news as well, as opposed to the losing free fall we saw in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.
Janet Lynn
10.14.2012
No they haven’t as the true numbers were not given by the Democrats. It is closer to 14%
Stacy Alexander Dill
10.14.2012
Not all the states reported; they left out a large state; many surmise it was California. Could actually show there was no drop.
Alex Zima
10.14.2012
The number drops as benefits expire.
John Conley
10.14.2012
@John Conley
Yup
Shawn M. Griffiths
10.14.2012
The number of total insurance unemployment drops as benefits expire. The weekly report by the ETA measures the pace of layoffs, which has improved significantly. There is a difference between initial jobless claims and the number of people who are actually on unemployment insurance.
Wendy Thomson
10.14.2012
Who are these experts being negative about the jobs report? Are you qualified to make these statements or are you just repeating something you heard in a campaign speech?
Nona Eggerman- Windus
10.14.2012
Oo
Dave Palermo
10.14.2012
Obama has lowered taxes for 95% of Americans and for small businesses. Unemployment has dropped from 10% to 7.8% in the last 2 years. We’ve added close to 5 million jobs in the last 31 months. This is all good stuff.
John Conley
10.14.2012
@John Conley
Nope.
1) $123 Billion: Surtax on Investment Income (Takes effect Jan. 2013)
• Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93)
• This will hit the middle-class along with retiree’s.
2) $86 Billion: Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Takes effect Jan. 2013)
• Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93
• This will hit the middle-class via the payroll taxes.
3) $65 Billion: Individual Mandate Excise Tax and Employer Mandate Tax (Both taxes take effect Jan. 2014
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337
• This will the hit the middle-class more than any other income bracket $11,800 to $59,000 per year per the CBO.
4) $60.1 Billion: Tax on Health Insurers (Takes effect Jan. 2014)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993
• We are already seeing insurance premiums rise.
5) $32 Billion: Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Takes effect Jan. 2018)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956
• Drop, or Pass On the costs…
6) $23.6 Billion: “Black liquor” tax hike (Took effect in 2010) This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel.
• Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105
• Increase in any type of fuel effects how goods get to market… The middle class gets hit.
7) $22.2 Billion: Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Took effect in 2010)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980
• Cost pass through to consumers and insurers and ultimately the insured via higher premiums.
8) $20 Billion: Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Takes effect Jan. 2013)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986
• Manufactures will not expand their businesses (hire) and/or pass on the costs to the consumers, the insurers and eventually the insured through higher premiums.
9) $13.2 Billion: Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Takes effect Jan. 2013)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389
• Increases tax liability and increases the cost of taking care of special needs kids (which is VERY expensive).
10) $5 Billion: Medicine Cabinet Tax (Took effect Jan. 2011)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959
• Increase in taxes and costs to the middle class since they cannot us a health saving account to purchase OverTheCounter medications.
11) $4.5 Billion: Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage.
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994
• Increases costs to businesses with good benefits.
12) $4.5 Billion: Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Took effect in 2010)
• Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113
• The IRS can refuse to allow deductions it deems “not of substance”. (Whatever that means).
13) $2.7 Billion: Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Took effect July 1, 2010):
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399
• Just being passed onto consumer – the middle-class mainly.
14) $1.4 Billion: HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Took effect Jan. 2011)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959
• Non-Medical withdrawals are taxed at 20% not 10%. This hits the middle-class.
15) $0.6 Billion: $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Takes effect Jan. 2013)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000
• Just passed onto consumers.
16) $0.4 Billion: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Took effect in 2010)
• Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004
• This cost is being passed onto consumer (policy holders).
http://www.doctorsandpatients.org/blog/96-full-list-of-ppaca-tax-hikes
http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/obamacare%20tax%20hikes.pdf
John Conley
10.14.2012
@John Conley
All of these taxes basically hit the middle class. They also #9 hits People who take care of other people with Special Needs.
Improperganda
10.14.2012
http://improperganda.com/2012/10/14/arlen-specter-a-dying-breed-3/
John Conley
10.14.2012
@Independent Voter
The drop is a false flag.
EMPLOYMENT
Jan 2009: 65.7%
Sept 2012: 63.6%
The employment participation rate only went up .1%
(that’s 1/10 of percent)
THE MOST PEOPLE HIRED were PART-TIME…66% of the hired workers were PART-TIME…..
63.5% to 63.6%
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000/
–873,000 of those jobs “created” were the House Survey-a mathematical projections.
“Turning to measures from the survey of households, the unemployment rate decreased by 0.3 percentage point to 7.8 percent in September….Total employment, as measured by the household survey, rose by 873,000 in September,”
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/jec_10052012.htm
However if you look here:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
———The unemployment rate is UNCHANGED.
August 2012: 14.7%
Sept 2012: 14.7%
THE MOST PEOPLE HIRED were PART-TIME…66% of the hired workers were PART-TIME…..
…Of the numbers that were hired MOST were PART-TIME.
“Among the employed, the number of involuntary part time
workers increased by 582,000 to 8.6 million in September.”
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/jec_10052012.htm
—-What is happening is SEASONAL PART-TIME HIRING (at best)…and to the most part people dropping of the Unemployment Rate due to exhaustion of their UI benefits.
John Conley
10.14.2012
ALSO… the GDP has dropped from 1.5% to 1.3% … For any substantial growth to happen the GDP has to be around 4 to 6. With Permanent Employment NOT part time employment. Also, manufacturing is dropping again.
Michael Tramell Worthy
10.15.2012
No if a black president gets elected America will burn oooh wait thats happened all ready, well the economy will be crap oooh wait its getting better well if he gets elected again he will allow sadam to invade and bin laden to kill us wait they are gone oooohhh well let me think of something and I will get back to everyone…. I think he is the devil
Nancy Sykes Blaetz
10.15.2012
Tired of the constant complaint that there are no jobs! Husband laid off in June… Has offer in progress. Son and daughter-in-law quit jobs and relocated in august…both are working..after several job offers. I started looking for a job about 2 months ago…have a job offer and 2 interviews lined up. In all three cases we were willing to look at many possibilities. I sometimes feel (note this is my humble opinion) that to many people choose to stay in the mode of the victim. Getting a job offer will require effort and keeping your mind in a positive state.
Timothy Francis
10.15.2012
The “freefall started in 3rd quarter 2008. The world wide recession was just swinging into action and the freefall in the jobs started. Recession seem to run in cycles, and this one wasn’t unexpected. Just the intensity wasn’t expected. Neither presidents, Bush or Obama, has had any real effect on the job markets. But the stimulus and TARP helped the big banks and the big businesses recoup their losses. Meanwhile the middle class suffered the most, and have gained the least.