Single-payer Health Care: A Community Discussion
By Michael Fritz | 01/29/2013 | Activism, Health Care, Issues, Movements, Organizations, Role of Government | 21 CommentsCanada’s single-payer health care system is the focus of a new documentary, The Healthcare Movie. A recent screening in San Diego, California, harbored a lengthy community discussion about the possibility and implications of a single-payer health care system in the United States. The film was produced and directed by married couple Laurie Simons and Terry Sterrenberg. It also featured narration by Kiefer Sutherland, in part due to his relation to Tommy Douglas, his grandfather, who is credited as the father of Canada’s current single-payer health care system. Tweet
The film follows Lindsay Caron, a college student from Portland, Oregon, as she interviews hundreds of Canadians regarding their thoughts on health care. An overwhelming majority favored their system, where they pay nothing out of pocket for health care. There were a number of real life experiences described by Canadians, who were interviewed for the film, offering stirring examples of the quality of care in Canadian hospitals. Overall, the movie compares and contrasts the Canadian single-payer system and the American system while bringing to light some intriguing statistics, which sparked a larger discussion of health care reform.
“The reason we made the movie is based on our personal experience of the Canadian system and of the US system and of our dismay at the way the Canadian system was being portrayed in the US,” said Sterrenberg. “When compared to the anxiety that we felt trying to participate in the US system, the Canadian system seems like heaven.”
Sterrenberg and Simons lived in Canada for ten years and moved to the US in 1992. In 2013 Sterrenberg fainted during a flight. Luckily, a doctor was on board and he received excellent care. When the plane landed he was rushed to an ambulance and taken to emergency care. Simons said the whole experience ended up costing over $2,500 in medical bills. Had the incident happened in Canada they would have spent nothing out of the pocket.
According to the documentary, Canada’s health care system is completely paid for by the government. There are still private doctors and private insurance companies, but rather than citizens buying insurance, the government purchases it and citizens are able to pick any doctor they wish. All Canadians are equally insured, even if they do not have a job, because all health care expenses are already paid for through taxes.
However, non-medically essential expenses, pharmaceuticals and vision for example, are not paid for by the government. These are covered by supplemental private insurance which citizens can receive from employers. Although free health care for all is a major benefit, there do tend to be longer waiting times on certain procedures. If it is not an emergency a person may have to wait a couple weeks to a month. Procedures that need to be expedited, cancer treatments, or necessities for the terminally ill are prioritized and have little to no wait.
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“We certainly aren’t saying that Canada’s plan is perfect,” says Simons. She attested there may be wait times but this is something she says can be fixed. “How it’s financed is key.” Simons acknowledged the regulations created by Obamacare as a step in the right direction, but held some reservations. “We’re not done, we’re not even close, we like Obamacare but that doesn’t do the job, it doesn’t address how health care is financed,”
Following the screening, Dr. Bill Honingman, certified in emergency medicine and full time emergency room physician, opened up the topic for further discussion. Honingman shared his experiences where people without health insurance would walk in for treatment. He mentioned the most frequent ailments he saw were dental problems. Every night he would see at least one person who had neglected a bad tooth. Honingman argued the price for dental work, even with insurance, is too high.
The most stunning story Honingman revealed in an interview with IVN was about a 28-year-old man. Now off of his parents insurance plan and attending college, who had the flu and fainted due to lack of fluids. Upon passing out he hit his chin on the ground and shattered his jaw.
“Do you know how much that’s going to be to get his jaw wired? That’s about as much as a college education.” said Honingman. “We can do better than that, and the way we do it is by socializing the payment plan of health care.”
A number of people had an opportunity to speak on the issue and discuss what needs to be done in order to change legislation in favor of a single-payer system.
There was an attendee who preferred to remain anonymous for the publication of this article, she works in the pharmacy benefits industry and pointed out what she described as negligence within her field.
“The people who are deciding whether or not your insurance company will pay for your medicine are making decisions that are absolutely awful,” she said. “They are missing a heart.”
She is currently transitioning out of the pharmaceutical insurance industry to get into holistic health care. She explained even in holistic health care is money driven. She argued, holistic health care has proven to be extremely helpful, however insurance companies refuse to accept holistic coverage because “big pharma” has too much influence.
Geri Jenkins, a retired UCSD nurse and past president of the California Nurses Association, spoke about her experience lobbying in Washington in 2009 for single-payer health care. Asserting the US spends twice as much money on health care than any other country in the developed world and yet in many areas of the country life expectancy is slipping back to 1950 levels. Tweet stat: Tweet
“I think it really has to be a grassroots movement and it has to be us going out and talking to our communities and making this happen because it wont happen any other way,” said Jenkins. She expressed concern people may stop talking about health care reform after Obamacare passed. “Though it may be a step in the right direction it will not cut costs the way it needs to.” Tweet quote: Tweet
Manuel Belandres, general surgeon and trauma surgeon from Virgina, said he had practiced surgery for 35 years and had seen a lot of people who could not afford surgeries which would save their lives. Balendres stated he thinks the average American is “brainwashed” when it comes to private insurance. He mentioned he had co-founded the Virginia Association of Free Clinics and they are doing whatever they can to provide health coverage for people who cannot afford it. A number of grants have helped pay for the health care of those who have been unable to receive insurance for various reasons. Belandres believes free health care shouldn’t need to be funded by grants. “We need more activists, and to do that more people need to get involved,” said Belandres. “No one gets involved, nothing happens.”
Karen Ray, a retired teacher, pointed to the political history of the fight for single-payer healthcare in California. She said a state-level single-payer bill (SB-840) was passed twice by California voters, but both times Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill. Ray pointed out the bill was vetoed, but still had the support of voters, and encouraged others to keep trying.
According to the Physicians for a National Health Program, Vermont was the first state to change their health care system into single-payer healthcare with their H. 202 bill. William Hsiao, who also designed Taiwan’s single-payer health care plan was hired to design the proposal for Vermont. It passed the Vermont Senate in April of 2011, and signed into law shortly thereafter.
Other states have made steps to move to a single-payer health care system as well. In 2010 the Pennsylvania Democratic State Committee endorsed a resolution which called for a passage of single-payer health care. According to the Illinois general assembly website, In Illinois HB0311 was introduced and went through the first stages of the Illinois Senate from 2007 all the way through 2009. They postponed any further hearings until 2011 where they continued to shape the bill through 2012, and have again postponed all further hearings regarding HB0311 until an indefinite date.
Dawn Dershem, a retired school teacher, purchased the film and bought a license for public viewing saying she did it all for the benefit of her family and community.
“This is the last item on my bucket list,” said Dawn. “I can die peacefully when I know that every person in this country, including my own children and grandchildren, have single-payer universal improved medicare for all!”
Anyone is able to host a screening or buy a copy of the movie by visiting healthcaremovie.net. You can find a trailer for the movie here: Single-payer health care movie trailer






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Bill Honigman
01.30.2013
@bill_honigman
Thanks Michael, Dawn, Geri, Dr B, and all who attended. The struggle for economic and social justice in Healthcare continues! Dr Bill BTW, more info here http://www.pdacommunity.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=29&Itemid=54
Michael Fritz
01.31.2013
@mkfritz
This just in, according to the PNHP, “Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., has announced that he will be reintroducing H.R. 676″ Which he describes as “expanded and improved medicare for all”, essentially a single-payer healthcare system.
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“If you act quickly, there is still time to get your congressperson to sign on as an “original” co-sponsor of H.R. 676 in the new Congress. The text of Rep. Conyers’ appeal to his colleagues to sign-on to can be found here, http://tinyurl.com/bxcm99c
As of yesterday, Conyers’ staff reports there are 27 original co-sponsors: Nadler (NY), Schakowsky (IL), Pingree (ME), Grijalva (AZ), Ellison (MN), Hank Johnson (GA), Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX), Tonko (NY), Holmes-Norton (DC), Lofgren (CA), Rangel (NY), Moore (WI), Chu (CA), Al Green (TX), Farr (CA), McGovern (MA), Welch (VT), Clarke (NY), Lee (CA), Nolan (MN), Pocan (WI), Doyle (PA), Engel (NY), Gutierrez (IL), Frederica Wilson ( FL), Cohen (TN ) and Edwards (MD ).
If your congressperson is not currently on this list, I urge to you to call their office via the Capitol Switchboard (202-224-3121) and ask him or her to become an original co-sponsor of Rep. Conyers’ bill, H.R. 676. (If they are already on the list, please call to congratulate them!) Whatever you do, don’t underestimate the significance of your voice as a physician.”
A video of the hearing can be found here. http://tinyurl.com/ayhg5ga
Patricia Crocker
02.06.2013
@patricia_crocker
“According to the documentary, Canada’s health care system is completely paid for by the government. ” What they fail to mention is that the government is paid for by the taxpayer. In Canada, they pay 40% income tax. And what they fail to mention are the LOOOOOng waiting lists for many services. In Montreal alone, 30% of their citizens can’t get a primary care doctor. That means they end up in the Emergency Room where the average wait time can be up to 17 hours. Thanks, but no thanks! No single payer healthcare here! We can fix our problems without throwing the baby out with the bath water!
Bill Honigman
02.06.2013
@bill_honigman
Sorry Patricia Crocker, but not true. The film very explicitly mentions that wait times are reasonable, actually better than wait times in the US, health outcomes are better than in the US, and Canadians get tremendous value for their tax dollars, as opposed to our insurance premiums and big pharma giveaways. In the US, a full third of every healthcare dollar is given away to those who profit and provide no care. For that the US is ranked 37th in the world in outcomes such as longevity or infant mortality. Please, please give me the Canadian system over our non-system of healthcare.
Patricia Crocker
02.06.2013
@patricia_crocker
Sorry Bill, I have sources on my side. One of them is a movie producer who made his own film after three of his relatives died while on waiting lists in Canada. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnqkIWwWDsg Dr. Chaioi, a Canadain doctor featured in his movie went on a hunger strike for 30 days because he was so upset that patients were not getting timely care! http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/19/wait-times.html http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596 Try to convince Liam Neeson that Canada is better. If his wife, Natasha Richardson, was skiing in the US when she sustained her head injury she would not have died. It is customary in the US for any suspected head injury to get a CT scan. CT Scans are hard to come by in Canada, and though she had a known head injury, she didn’t have the threshold for a CT Scan. A CT scan would have picked up her brain bleed that she had, which ended her life.
Brett Gaskill
02.06.2013
@brett_gaskill
In typical progressive fashion, the entire article is a sham. Just the statement that Canadians “pay nothing out of pocket” is incredibly misleading. As a Canadian OR manager working in the US told me a few years ago, “I paid 55% income taxes in Canada, so don’t try to tell me that my health care is ‘free’!” She went on to tell me, “My mother needed a hip replacement, and the wait was over a year and a half. She couldn’t get around without a lot of pain and her quality of life was terrible. I brought her down here and she was operated on in a matter of weeks.” Please Mr. Honigman, what is the average wait for a CAT Scan in Quebec? I had cancer myself a few years ago. My doctor told me on Monday I had cancer, I had a CAT scan three days later, and was operated on the following Monday. My insurance company was outstanding. There was never an issue with ANY of the treatments I had to undergo, and my out-of-pocket costs were minimal, and did not even come CLOSE to the extra 15-20% of income taxes I would have had to pay in Canada, not even for ONE year, let alone year after year after year that is stolen from you by Socialist thieves. In addition, the comments from the surgeon in VA are blatant BS as well. I have seen first-hand, people of little or no means getting life-saving surgeries, literally within HOURS of being diagnosed in hospitals in this country. Sorry Mr. Honigman, not everybody is as stupid as the Low-intelligence voters that put this Socialist incompetent fool into office.
Michael Fritz
02.07.2013
@mkfritz
What was meant by “Nothing out of the pocket” was no co-pay. I guess I should have made this clear. I did say that Canadians pay more in taxes.
Patricia Crocker
02.06.2013
@patricia_crocker
BTW your comments about life expectancy and infant mortality are wrong. When you correct for accidents and homicides, the US is actually at the top for life expectancy. As far as infant mortality, the US brings the most high risk pregnancies to term than any other country. Many of those infants born out of the high risk pregnancy then die, which skews our rates. On top of that, many European countries do not count infants born under 500 gms as “live births”, so if those babies die, they are not counted in their mortality rates. So, it is like comparing apples to oranges. How about the fact that 80% of all medical innovations have come from the US, or the fact that 18 of the past 25 Nobel Peace Prize winners in medicine have come from the US? I would say that is not too bad as far as US Healthcare in concerned. Can we improve? There is always room for improvement. But let’s not try to degrade our system by trying to be like Europe and Canada.
Keith Stern
02.07.2013
@keithstern
Yes Patricia, and we can add deaths from drug use and alcohol abuse to that. But that would ruin their perspective wouldn’t it?
Keith Stern
02.07.2013
@keithstern
Gary McNamara, host of Red Eye Radio Wednesday morning was talking about a cousin of his that lives in Canada who was diagnosed with a brain tumor. The prognosis was that he was terminal so no treatment would be provided. He came to the states and received treatment. He survived American medical care but would not haved Canadian’s health care. The Canadian system is great for minor illnesses and injuries but cannot survive major medical bills.
Bill Honigman
02.07.2013
@bill_honigman
Sorry Healthcare fact deniers, you can throw in all the made up qualifiers and tragic anecdotal stories you want, but the facts are the facts. And you can find them here http://www.PNHP.org, from Harvard Medical College, School of Public Health. Also, I’m a full time ER doc for over 30 years and I can tell you from my perspective American medicine fails consistently to keep people healthy or to be prepared for it when they’re not. You can choose to ignore the facts, like climate change, and keep letting yourselves be ripped off by big pharma and big insurance, or you can pay a little more in taxes and let we the people be in charge. It’s up to you my friends. :-)
Keith Stern
02.07.2013
@keithstern
Sorry doc but you are wrong if you believe the government can run anything better than the private sector. Just name one aspect where this is true. We need a single payer system that is privately run to reduce costs, absolutely. We have idiots running our government. The fact that we have a trillion dollar debt and no ability whatsoever to change direction shows no ability to run anything correctly. Obamacare was so poorly written that it is costing Americans jobs and working hours. I appreciate your education and your medical expertise but try looking at the reality of the situation. The imbeciles from both parties are incapable of getting anything right and that would definitely apply to medicine. We have a brain dead congressman and governor here in Vermont who have both said they want all produce for Vermont schools supplied by Vermont farmers. How do you think that would work out?
Keith Stern
02.07.2013
@keithstern
BTW, nobody I have heard disagrees with global climate change because it is obvious. The facts don’t support the liberal myth that it caused by global heating caused by man.
Guest
05.02.2013
We clearly see that the current private healthcare system does not work! It is a complete disaster! 50 million uninsured, skyrocketing premiums & deductibles, claim denials, more out of pocket expenses, small business & self employed going without, bankrupt families, people dying with out care, insured people paying more and more! The list goes on and on! And the costs will continue to soar! I cant understand how any person can like the private healthcare system that we have! Anything is better than what we have! We are the ONLY INDUSTRIALIZED NATION THAT DOES NOT COVER ALL OUR CITIZENS! I would gladly pay higher taxes and wait in a long line for care than have nothing!!! And that is what we have here in America, bankrupt families and people dying! I am sure way more people die here in the US compared to Canada! No system is perfect but they COVER ALL THEIR CITIZENS! American’s are one pink slip away from having no health insurance! And even having health insurance does not protect you from financial ruin! Just Keep accepting this private healthcare garbage! The insurance companies are making billions! While 50 million plus people go without! That is shameful! American’s deserve far better than this nightmare we have been delt. You will care when you lose your job, you get sick, or your child becomes very sick and you are flooded with medical bills! You may be healthy right now getting good insurance at work but this can change in a heartbeat and you will have wished we had single payer healthcare! No Thanks, I cant stand our healthcare system! It is the biggest money making fraud in US history!
Patricia Crocker
05.03.2013
Townhall did an excellent job on the Medicaid issue to say nothing that Reid wants more $$$ for Obamacare!!!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/02/reid-we-really-need-more-money-for-obamacare–stat-n1585297
Case in point: A hot-off-the-presses landmark study on Medicaid, the results of which are devastating to government healthcare cheerleaders:
In 2008, Oregon expanded its Medicaid program, but because the state could not cover everybody, lawmakers opened up a lottery that randomly drew 30,000 names from a waiting list of almost 90,000 and allowed them to apply for the program. This created a unique opportunity for health researchers, ultimately allowing them to compare the health outcomes of 6,387 low-income adults who were able to enroll in the program with 5,842 who were not selected. Contrary to liberal assumptions, researchers found that those who enrolled in Medicaid spent a lot more on medical care than those who weren’t able to enroll, but didn’t significantly improve their health outcomes.
Specifically, researchers found that those who received Medicaid increased their annual health care spending by $1,172, or 35 percent more than those who did not receive Medicaid. Those with Medicaid were more likely to be screened for diabetes and use diabetes medication and to make use of other preventive care measures. The study also examined health metrics including blood pressure and cholesterol. Ultimately, the authors concluded that, “This randomized, controlled study showed that Medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements in measured health outcomes in the first two years..
In a sane political world populated by quasi-rational actors, this research would be a true game-changer. Here we have solid, methodologically-sound evidence that an enormously expensive government program — Medicaid — is failing to improve health outcomes for low income Americans, compared to being uninsured. Which is the entire point of the program. It turns out that Medicaid recipients also aren’t cutting down on hospital and emergency room visits, another favored talking point for universal coverage. The primary difference between beneficiaries and their uninsured counterparts is that the former group uses healthcare services more, thus raising expenditures. One of this study’s co-authors just happens to be a key designer of Obamacare (MIT’s Jon Gruber), so this can’t be written off some right-wing hatchet job, either. The new program Gruber helped create calls for the massive expansion (by 11 million people) of an old program that Gruber has now determined doesn’t work. Ta-da! Liberal activists and journalists, meanwhile, are feverishly churning out copy to distort the results and salvage what they can from this catastrophic blow…..”
Tanstaafl1
05.05.2013
Patricia,
Thank you!
Robert
05.04.2013
I totally agree with what Guest has said! Come on folks! Aren’t you tired of a private system that does NOT WORK! All other industrialized nations cover all their citizens and their healthcare costs less and their citizens are healthier than in the US. The reality is that our private healthcare system is crippling our small business, our families, our companies, our society! Medicaid has given millions of people the life saving care that they would otherwise not get! I have many friends on Medicaid and they are a lot healthier than if they had nothing. I do not believe people when they say Medicaid is not saving lives. Single payer has not yet been done by a single state yet, so people that are against it cannot say that it will not work. But we do know that all other industrialized nations have been successful with it. So some people are against single payer, why??? Have you given it a chance? Do you want to fester in this current healthcare disaster? What do you suggest we try? Are you prepared to suffer the consequences of piles of medical bills? Should 50 Million people have nothing? What is your solution? Why do people keep holding on to this private healthcare disaster? Why do people want outrageous healthcare costs? My friend HAD GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE AT HIS JOB AND UNFORTUNATELY CAME DOWN WITH CANCER. THE OUTRAGEOUS MEDICAL BILLS THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY DID NOT COVER WAS $65,000 DOLLARS!!! IT BANKRUPTED HIS FAMILY! IS THAT WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD SETTLE FOR? IS THIS THE PRIVATE SYSTEM YOU WANT?? SINGLE PAYER NOW!
Heather
05.06.2013
Please give me single payer!!!! Why should my taxes pay for others to get healthcare but I go without?? Politicians, teachers, govt. leaders, people in prison, poor on Medicaid, state workers all get healthcare paid for by my tax dollars!! AND I CANNOT AFFORD A PRIVATE POLICY FOR MYSELF!! THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! Certain things in society need to be socialized! You have police, fire dept, national security, public schools, court systems, these things are all socialized. Why in the world is healthcare not on that list? MABEY BECAUSE THE INSURANCE GIANTS WANT TO KEEP MAKING BILLIONS ALONG WITH THE BIG PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES THAT DONT GIVE A RATS REAR ABOUT YOU & ME! And private insurance companies sending the cost of health insurance through the roof. There is NO DEFENSE to the private healthcare system! NONE! It needs to be replaced now! All those that get insurance coverage at their jobs are waking up and realizing they are riding the same band wagon as the uninsured! $5,000 dollar deductibles, paying more and more for insurance every year, insurance covering less and less! I know I am not the only one who feels this way! Americans are waking up and demanding that this be changed! I really hope that Vermont passes their single payer bill! Mabey all other states will follow suit. The arguments made against single payer just don’t hold any water!
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05.11.2013
The main character is a man named Daniel. When you look at his eyes, you’re looking into the eyes of a man who has seen Hell. There are moments when he looks like he’s about to begin screaming at any second, and never stop. The first time you see this is in episode one, when he’s about to leave the prison. The guard is treating him like a human being, and it’s evident this hasn’t happened in an extremely long time. You see the confusion on his face as he wrestles with suddenly being treated decently by the same people who have treated him like an animal for years. He can’t quite process it. I know that look well. As he’s about to leave the prison, the guard helps him tie his necktie, as he can no longer remember how to do it himself.
Tanstaafl1
05.13.2013
This NOT A NEW movie. It is a old propaganda piece narrated by the grandson of the socialist who helped create Canada’s mixed system (often MISTAKENLY referred to as a single payer system).
Canada is currently a 70 / 30 taxpayer / private pay system that consumes funds equal to 12% of the Gross Domestic Product (1/8 of the Canadian economy). Before Obamacare begins in Oct 2013, the US is a 45 / 55 taxpayer / private payer system. canada rations care by delay and waiting and by absolute control over expenditures. For examples, 13% of people needing MRI’s must wait in excess of 90 days; 10.5% of people needing referral to a specialist must wait more than 90 days; and 17% of people needing surgery must wait more than 90 days. That is why Liberal minister Stronach came to the USA for cancer care; why the premier of Quebec Bourassa came to the USA for treatment, and why in 2008 the Globe and Mail reported that more than 150 critically ill patients were sent to the USA for care unavailable in Canada. And why Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Williams came to the USA for care. This is also why US companies doing business in Canada are requested by employees to provide them with supplemental health benefits that the employees control. (WSJ).
That said, although Canada’s balanced system 70 / 30 has many areas for improvement, so too the USA system.
Several non-DC controlled changes would be beneficial, such as (1) patient ownership of the healthcare insurance — there is no reason a union or an employer should own my coverage, I should own it and it should travel with me. (2) access to rollover health savings accounts with catastrophic coverage should be encouraged — cost control requires patient involvement; and (3) Since medical condition of Medicaid and un-covered patients is the same, we should ask if the billions spent on Medicaid could not be spent in a more effective fashion (Oregon study)..
In short the movie is simply collectivist propaganda from the people who want the IRS to run your healthcare (see 16,000 new agents to enforce obamacare).
USA needs reasoned discussion not regressive collectivist BS… nobody is fleeing Florida to get to single-payer Cuba!!
kim
05.13.2013
First of all people are not flocking to Cuba for care because they are BROKE! Bankrupted by the private healthcare system in the US.
Second of all I would love to wait 90 Days for an MRI and other tests than not get one at all!!!
Thirdly, I have many friends that live in Canada, and serious medical conditions are treated immediately. Actually they feel sorry for me that I live in the US and have to put up with this healthcare catastrophe.
The United States might have the best doctors and treatments but what good is it if you cannot afford to attain it????????????????