District Court Judge Rules on Targeted Drone Use
By Blake Bunch | 01/04/2013 | Issues, War and Foreign Policy | 43 CommentsWith a U.S. drone strike killing a top Pakistani commander on January 3 in South Waziristan, the continued use of drone warfare remains an issue domestically and internationally.
Mullah Nazir, a leader of one of Pakistan’s four main militant groups, was a set target for the U.S. government despite a ceasefire agreement with Islamabad. Under the agreement, Nazir’s group was not to launch attacks in Pakistan, but was still operational in Afghanistan and hosting members of al-Qa’ida.
In the defense of national security, a federal judge ruled that the Obama administration does not have to publicly acknowledge its reasoning for targeted drone use on terrorism operatives overseas.
In 2011 two New York Times reporters and the ACLU filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request regarding any information in which the Department of Justice lawyers had discussed the controversial “targeted killing” of high priority individuals. These requests were a result of a Yemen drone strike that killed Anwar Al-Awlaki, an al-Qi’ada leader born in the United States.
In her seventy-five page ruling issued on Wednesday, District Court Judge Colleen McMahon criticized the Obama Administration for their failure to provide related documents, but stated that she had no direct authority to order them to do so:
“I find myself stuck in a paradoxical situation in which I cannot solve a problem because of contradictory constraints and rules – a veritable Catch-22. I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the Executive Branch of our Government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws, while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret.”
The Obama administration’s reasoning for withholding documents regarding the program utilizes national security concerns as a defense. They felt that if the documents were released, or even were admitted to exist, national security could be put at risk.
Judge McMahon continued:
“However, this court is constrained by law, and under the law, I can only conclude that the government has not violated FOIA by refusing to turn over the documents, and so cannot be compelled by this court of law to explain in detail the reasons why its actions do not violate the Constitution and laws of the United States. The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me.”
This ruling does not come as a surprise to most, as ongoing use of drones has become commonplace in modern warfare.
In response to the judge’s ruling on Wednesday, however, ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer issued a statement which also chastised the White House’s ability to “relieve itself from any fair and honest explanation as to the justification of Americans.”
The ACLU and the New York Times are yet to remain complacent with this decision.
“We began this litigation because we believed our readers deserved to know more about the US government’s legal position on the use of targeted killings against persons having ties to terrorism, including US citizens,” said Times assistant general counsel, David McGraw.
Though McMahon sided with the plaintiffs in this ruling, it is obvious that she is not pleased with the Obama administration’s lack of public disclosure on this issue. As “targeted killings” such as the case with Nazir or Al-Awlaki will continue to remain a part of the White House’s plan of attack for the Middle East, public outcry could foster a level of discourse on the subject.





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43 Comments
Alex Gauthier
01.04.2013
@alexg
if it seems on its face to be incompatible with the constitution, then why not just say it’s unconstitutional?
Lucas Eaves
01.04.2013
@lucaseaves
I think until this issue starts happening on the american soil, i think it is unlikely that will see any major change.
Stalker
01.04.2013
On a positive note, drones may wind up being used for monitoring crops, powerlines or other productive uses. There are efforts of regional government agency coalitions forming to allow testing of available fly zones to make use of drones useful in these applications. I think it might be advisable for those making negative posts on this sight to be aware of these applications before posting and furthermore to take a more active role in staying informed on positive applications before trying to instill the fear of ignorance on unsuspecting groups or individuals. I value being raised in a free country. It is the responsibility of Americans to stay informed to make good decisions… will end this now as this is a difficult argument to continue on line. Stay informed America, your freedom depends on it.
Jason Harsha
01.04.2013
What secrets are they trying to protect? We already know that they use drones to kill terrorists, American’s, innocent people, small animals etc. I am guessing they just don’t want us to know exactly how many people have been murdered by remote.
Stalker
01.04.2013
@ Jason Harsha, Yes of course, that must be true if you infer it! Check your sources, guess you probably have some, if so please post them so the public can determine their veracity!
Stalker
01.04.2013
At Justin Harsha again. You don’t know, you are guessing. Guessing is not a valid form of Argument, please refrain from posting til you have some proof of said wrong doing. We know you and others on this post believe what you say, but consider this, how long would a document like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights lasted if the founding fathers guessed at this Republics needs? Much less got rewritten based on one person’s guessing? Let’s see some proof to verify, please!
Gary Smith
01.04.2013
Better watch close he will be using them on us, the scumbag has no morals
Stalker
01.04.2013
Gary, can you prove your allegations? Name calling is such an easy answer to resort to. I do not think you can justify your comments, outside of personal prejudice.
Dave Daniels
01.04.2013
You just posted above that they will be used domestically, so he does not need to post a source, you are claiming the same thing he is, did that point slip past you? I wonder who I will believe, someone who warns fellow countrymen of corrupt and lying politicians of further government spying through the use of drones… or an anonymous “stalker” too afraid to use his name, who backs a politician who has already lied and expanded privacy invasion further since he has been in office. O, you say name calling is easy and theres no justification? How about where we were “promised” the law on the books, indefinite detention of American citizens would never be used on us.. No? Then why was it added there? They put that line in for kicks and giggles, expecting to never use it? No, sorry, they put the line in there to use it, and I don’t give a damn what the presidents “word” is, only what the LAW says, since he is not accountable to his word, just the law. You are delusional if you don’t expect a “I know I said I wouldnt use it…. but this situation called for it, and he is a ‘terrorist’ so I detained him for 2 years. It was worth it sheeple, I swear!” …immediately followed by millions of lemmings supporting the stripping of habeus corpus of someone who is an American citizen, because the word “terrorist” was used.
So I definitely do not believe him or anyone else when they say drones are not going to be used mainland for “intelligence gathering” and “reconassaince”, you are naive and I feel sorry for you, if you are that gullible. I have been inside the beast, I know how it works, and feds and police will not give up oppurtunities to make money off the video and sound data stored from drone flights, they will be combing them for law violations to fine people for. Bet on it.
Stalker
01.05.2013
@ Dave Daniels Thanks for your response. I choose to reveal my identity on some posts, however in this case, comments from you like you make me feel more secure posting anonomously. So you think that these drones will be a threat to civilians, what about postings to sites like this. Did you read the article about that kid who drove drunk, hit a car or two in the process and then posted it on facebook? Two of his friends read the post(s) and turned him over to the police. You, my friend are the one who is naive. My information, to answer the first statement, I found out about this new application through my activity with the local City and Chamber of Commerce. I will not reveal any more as I do not want you posting anything on their websites, see I ain’t so dumb as you think I am Dave! Later!
Dave Daniels
01.05.2013
Ironic you are too afraid to post your name on the internet with your opinion, yet oblivious to and SUPPORTING spying by the administration in other ways. Just in case you are not technically inclined Mr Stalker, everything on the internet is funneled through your ISP and they have records of it as well as forwarding it to federal agencies, and you think anything you post is hidden because you don’t attach your name to it… hilarious.
Your example of the kid admitting his hit and runs on Facebook is not logical nor applicable in this situation, so I really do not understand why you claim you are scared for your privacy here, yet think anywhere else is different. Have you done something wrong on the internet? Are you afraid of your local Chamber of Commerce somehow knowing what you have posted here or in other places? I wonder why? Are you afraid your friends will see you posting, disagree and turn you in to your local chamber of commerce, because your actions and reasoning are very confusing? I really do not care who you are, it is not pertinent to the topic, but its just so deliciously ironic for people to come in and say they love the corruption and love being babied and spied on, at the same time, they hide their name thinking it is protecting them, so I had to comment on this. You are such a trip, crazy stalker.. keep up the blindfold friend, you can’t handle what’s behind it.
Stalker
01.05.2013
@Dave Daniels post 2 you seem to assume quite a bit. Dude I was on the internet when Veronica was still a search tool. I guess it must frustrate you that someone gives answers and you have no recourse but to keep deriding them. We have a couple of people in our area that make posts similar to yours and after a while, no one wants to have dialog with them. Out!
Dave Daneils
01.05.2013
Pot calling the kettle black here. I would go through your posts and point out that more than half of every post you have here is assumption as well, but you are simply not worth it. If you don’t want to have dialog with someone because they prove you wrong, you might just want to reconsider the validity of your opinion. You flamebait and troll comments anonymously.. I notice you also love to derail the topic and post assumptions someone you do not even know and their character, then when you are called out on it and someone responds to you, maybe doing a bit of the same right back at you, you throw your hands up in the air and say “Im done!” I know it’s really easy and convenient, but you won’t win many supporters.
Also love how you completely dodges the factual data about the administrations past “promises” and subsquent actions and decisions when it comes to law making. I guess you just can’t handle dealing with the reality of legislation produced by those you so fervently support. I would say that is someone with no recourse… change the subject and ignore it! You are great at that, I must say.. Sadly Mr Stalker, the issues do not fix themselves when you ignore them.
Nolan R Johnson
01.04.2013
Drones are so cool!
Wayne Alexander
01.04.2013
The judge was bought!!
Johnathan Lemons
01.04.2013
Gary – Until you have proof from the billions of cameras that are owned by people in this country I would not worry.
Cris Hernandez
01.04.2013
State secrets has been so overused in court decisions. Any overview of con law with regards to the executive and national security usually yields further undesired results.
Bill Daniel
01.04.2013
No.. There is no administration that is above the law. Congress can put together an oversight committee which would protect our secrets while preserving the administration’s accountability to The People… We didn’t let Nixon get away with stepping outside the bounds of his authority, why should we let Obama?
Blanca Patricia Cáceres
01.04.2013
How can a simple judge have such authority over something that is being use not only for world destruction but also for domestic ground????
Wayne Alexander
01.04.2013
Just like we did not need to know the Government gave smallpox contaminated blankets to the Indians or syphilis to blacks in the army, to see what the long term effects would be. After WWII German and Japanese scientists faced war crime charges for their research on human subjects.
Johnathan Lemons
01.04.2013
I agree Bill, but you would have to start fighting the courts back in the Cold War era.
Shawn Harris
01.04.2013
Drone on! :-)
Mike Smith
01.04.2013
There is no difference between an armed drone flying combat missions over enemy territory than there is a F-18 Hornet. I’ll start worring when drones…armed or not….start running missions over American soil.
Nancy Rossow Rupe Anderhalt
01.04.2013
Oh Gary, STOP!
Nancy Rossow Rupe Anderhalt
01.04.2013
What?
Harry Balzac
01.04.2013
You ignorant sheeple. He’s ALREADY using drones to assassinate US Citizens.
Harry Balzac
01.04.2013
They already are. 30,000 more expected in US skies in the next decade
Stalker
01.05.2013
Harry B do you have any idea of the reason for these drones? Many are for commercial uses like monitoring electrical lines and the needs they may require. Glad to hear you’re concerned but much of this whole discussion will be public, some is already.
John Day
01.05.2013
Monitoring power lines? My power lines are underground. “The needs they may require?” Sounds more like spying to me. Why do power lines need to be “monitored”? Are people stealing power lines? For finding down lines? As someone who worked for a power company, we can already tell the local area where a line is down due to routing, switching and reports. I highly doubt a drone will be out flying in a storm (the most common time lines go down) to find where the drop is.
Mike Smith
01.04.2013
Source for your claim?
Woody Ebersold
01.04.2013
Obama didn’t start this, The Patriot Act did!!! and continues to grow in scope daily..
Woody Ebersold
01.04.2013
News for you doubters.. The laws that this admin used to allow this also allow AMERICANS to be killed where ever and when ever they are found to be enemy’s of the state.. AND the admin does NOT need to tell anyone how they found you to be an enemy!!
John Day
01.05.2013
This has already happened in a few states. There was one incident, I believe in ND where lost cows wandered to someone’s property and his home was invaded by swat teams over it after they used drones to secretly survey this person’s ranch, without a warrant.
Edward Theilmann
01.04.2013
Hitler made laws so all his activities were legal under German law. This clown is using the courts to do the same. Drones,indefinite detention,his Cuban concentration camp,targeted assassinations of American citizens without trial,news blackouts,unfair election practices like keeping 3rd party candidates out of debates, and so on all spell one thing. America as we knew it is finished. Some will blame his predecessor but it’s been his show for four years now and if he wanted it any different it would be so. The man is the most dangerous person we have ever had as a president and what’s even scarier is the fact that he has most Americans fooled into thinking he’s on their side.
Danny Wedworth
01.05.2013
Smooth talking and convenient coddling/”comfort” after disasters/horrible events tends to win a lot of support, since most people are ignorant enough to let their emotions control them, regardless of the facts at hand… Unfortunately.
Melody Osorio
01.04.2013
This is not Defense. It is offense. How many Americans woud support an OFFENSE budget?
Demand OUR Representatives:
1. separate OFFENSE spending budget and cap it.
2. Cap and Cut DEFENSE spending by 1/4 to be used for domestic military and weapons only. Protect our borders, our surrounding oceans and air and our people. We have to be strong first.
3. Wait 3 months and cut OFFENSE spending entirely and pull all foregian aid that is not strickly humanitarian and delived in goods directly to people in need. No US tax dollars to foregin governements.
4. Legalize Cannabis/Hemp, research it medically, use it industrially. create jobs locally and tax it to fund the research.
Alex Gauthier
01.04.2013
UN has set up an investigation. Doubt it will result in anythings substantive, but people are counting.
Jason Harsha
01.04.2013
I am as big of a supporter and believer in the UN as I am of the tooth fairy. Well, the tooth fairy did leave me quarters when I was a kid, so I guess the tooth fairy actually did get results while the UN just collects our money to host our enemies here in the US, all the while condemning us for doing their dirty work. (In case you didn’t know, I loathe the UN).
Chandler Stalvey
01.04.2013
Congress is so full of leaks that anything they look at becomes public information Isa is a prime example.
William Waugh
01.04.2013
What do you do with these replies?
William Braman
01.05.2013
so right jason with our worst enemy in the whitehouse scheming to change the amendment to get reelected. 2014 will be even more crucial than the last election
Billy Dillard
01.06.2013
oh i see, and you trust congress. first mistake
Shannon
04.11.2013
łową. Dotychczas wywiązywał się ze Shannon własnej partii zadania.
Najwięcej dawał starszy cechu szewców,
rozeźlony pewnie gigantyczną śmiertelnością między czeladników.
Spowodowaną nawiasem mówiąc nie.