Pro-Gun Advocates Come Out Swinging
By Wendy Innes | 12/27/2012 | Headline, Movements, Organizations | 60 Comments
Much has been made of guns in the wake of the shooting at Newtown Elementary School, and more recently the killing of two first responders at a house fire deliberately set by a convicted murderer in Rochester, N.Y., and pro-gun advocates have had enough. They are coming out swinging with ideas of their own, and some are gaining the attention of lawmakers, at least on the local level.
On Dec. 21, the National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun rights group, made its position known, calling for armed guards to be placed at every school in the country, saying, “When it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family – our children- we as a society leave them utterly defenseless.” This immediately was decried as “loony” by gun control advocates, but they seem to have forgotten that this is not a new idea, and it’s one that the NRA was originally opposed to. The idea of having armed officers in schools was originally floated by President Bill Clinton in 2000, after the shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.
Local authorities and school districts in many locations took it upon themselves to station law enforcement officers at schools that did not previously have them. What effect this will have on already strained operating budgets of both school systems and police departments remains to be seen and will likely be the subject of much debate in the coming weeks and months.
Another idea that is gaining ground in many states is arming teachers. More than half a dozen states are considering legislation that would allow, or even require a specific number, of teachers to carry guns in schools. Gun control advocates don’t like the idea.
Bob Marshall, a Republican Delegate from Manassas, V.A. is one of those who believe that arming teachers is a good idea. “You don’t take some 100-pound lady who doesn’t like guns and force them into doing. There are plenty of military personnel who are working in schools as teachers or administrators or in some other capacity,” Marshall continued, saying, “Liberals are the first ones to call 911 if they are under attack. Why do they do that? It is because they want someone with a gun there.”
The fact is that every active shooter scenario ends one of two ways; either the shooter runs out of ammunition or has some other malfunction that causes the gun to stop firing, or they are confronted by someone else with a gun, in which case they take their own life or are apprehended by police.
There have been other ideas making their way around social media sites, but they aren’t likely to garner any sort of popular support. One community on Facebook, which claims to have both gun rights and gun control supporters, has suggested making it a crime for a gun owner’s lawful weapon to be stolen and used in the commission of a crime, meaning that the lawful gun owner would be charged as an accessory. But the best safes in the world can be cracked, locks can be cut from cases, and cars and homes are broken into. At no time in history has the victim of a crime been charged with a crime for being a victim and there is simply no fool-proof way to secure a gun.
Another idea touted by this community is a log of ammunition purchases. Some members suggest there be a database of mass ammunition purchases so that the government can inventory. The problem with this idea is two-fold: The first is that ammunition sales are already supposed to require ID, but compliance by retailers is spotty at best. The second is that it doesn’t take into consideration that there are several legitimate reasons for a gun owner to make a mass ammunition purchase, including shooting competitions and classes, which can require 1,000 rounds or more at a time. This would also imply those who were trying to stockpile ammunition for nefarious purposes would simply have to take more time to do so.
One thing is clear – that both pro-gun and gun control advocates believe a multifaceted approach is needed to help stop further violence. In addition to examining gun laws, many agree we as a country need to take a look at other factors in these shootings, such as mental health and the effects of violent media, as well as making existing systems, such as the existing database for those who are mentally ill, more effective.
Currently there is a database in place that is linked to the background check system for purchasing firearms, but it isn’t efficacious enough. The database depends upon each state supplying records to populate the information, and many states are running into obstacles in doing so, from budget and staffing problems to privacy laws protecting healthcare records. There simply isn’t a comprehensive enough database for it to be an effective tool in preventative gun control.
Pro-gun advocates make many good points, but none more salient than this: When a person is killed by a drunk driver, we as a society don’t blame the car. When they are killed with a knife, we don’t blame the knife. Yet when a person is killed with a gun, often the gun is blamed and everything else is overlooked. Perhaps the real solution to prevent further violence lies in looking at deeper societal problems.




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Chad Peace
12.27.2012
@Chad_Peace
Using the drunk driving analogy, arming teachers as a solution is kinda like telling everyone else to drive drunk too. I’m not saying that banning guns is the solution either …. who knows …. I do agree with you about the societal problems though; which are much more likely to be at the root … most of these shooters showed signs of wacko, and they did not get heeded. Maybe we need a renewed respect for community?
Terri Harel
12.27.2012
@tlharel
I do not think arming more people is the answers.
I agree, Chad. We definitely need a renewed respect for community, for inclusivity, and our sense of empathy.
Wendy Innes
12.27.2012
@wendyppp
Terri, I think that more to the point is arming the RIGHT people would help. Several ideas have been floated about who that would be. I think that it would be a great way to create jobs and lower the disproportionally high unemployment rate that is seen in military veterans and take the strain off of local law enforcement departments, provided that they have the required training and background checks, and that includes pschiatric evaluations. There is going to be good and bad in every solution or suggestion, and there are no easy answers, but I think it’s clear that we have to do something, and making it harder for law abiding gun owners to protect themselves and their families isn’t going to be that something.
Wendy Innes
12.27.2012
@wendyppp
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I don’t think that REQUIRING teachers to be armed is neccesarily what the NRA and other pro-gun advocates were saying, but ALLOWING them to be if they so choose was more the idea. Though widely disregarded as the rantings of a whack job, the transcript from the NRA conference did actually have other ideas besides just putting armed officers at schools. They’ve formed a task force to come up with a complete plan for schools that will be available at no cost for them to implement as their budgets and communities allow.
As far as respect for community, I agree. In many places, particularly in more urban areas community is just a word. People don’t know who lives next door or down the block and respect for others seems to be a dying virtue as well.
Eric
01.08.2013
Did you really just say “the solution to mass murderers is for everyone to be a mass murderer”? You can carry a gun without it jumping out of its holster and killing someone. Many of us, including police officers, military, (and lowly civilians) do it every day.
If the problem is as you (correctly) describe, then more laws won’t help. Utah has allowed ANY state resident with a carry permit to carry a weapon in school, not just teachers, since at least 2006. No one has had their gun taken away from them, no children have picked up carelessly discarded firearms, and most importantly, there have been no school shootings.
Innocent life is sacred, and that means it’s worth protecting. Either we do it ourselves, or we allow those who will actually take the initiative to do so. Not sure what’s difficult about this decision, other than seeing through the “OMG blood in the streets” propaganda that failed to materialize with carry permits but is still saturating the airwaves.
I have yet to hear a single viable suggestion from the gun control side. The reflexive suggestion to ban things is a maddeningly ineffective and shortsighted idea as Chinese mass murderers’ predilection for stabbing kids to death proves quite graphically.
Clinton’s proposal after Colombine was a good one. Put more guns in schools. The kids interviewed on ABC’s “A Child’s Solution to Gun Violence” (from a BROOKLYN school of all places) all said they would feel SAFER with an armed guard. I’m not sure why that’s not good enough.
Unless it’s not really about the kids.
Lucas Eaves
12.27.2012
@lucaseaves
“When a person is killed by a drunk driver, we as a society don’t blame the car. When they are killed with a knife, we don’t blame the knife. Yet when a person is killed with a gun, often the gun is blamed and everything else is overlooked.” Maybe we dont blame the car or the knife because these objects have a specific purpose: transportation and cooking and they incidentally kill. Guns’ only purpose is to kill. So that is why you blame them.
Chad Peace
12.27.2012
@Chad_Peace
I don’t know about that … I think many people would argue that guns have other purposes. Also have the purpose to defend. I agree with the “you can’t blame the gun” analogy …. and banning guns will not get rid of them in a society and culture that has such strong traditions. I do believe though, that there are reasonable regulations and, as Wendy argues, societal considerations that need to be looked at a lot closer.
Cassidy Noblejas Bartolomei
12.27.2012
@cassidynb
Arming teachers is probably the worst idea someone could propose. I’ve been in the American education system more than three quarters of my life and that’s long enough to know that some teachers are just as off the wall and likely to shoot up a school in certain circumstances as the next deranged headcase.
Chad Peace
12.27.2012
@Chad_Peace
agreed.
Wendy Innes
12.27.2012
@wendyppp
That’s likely true as well, I know some of the teachers at my son’s school would. But in that instance, we should already be worried about them having such a huge influence on impressionable minds, and be looking for ways to weed them out before they do become the next headcase.
Ian Dawes
12.27.2012
@iandawes
So many incompetent teachers out there, and many competent ones that would not be comfortable wielding a firearm. How many teachers lose their temper with wisecracking kids in the classroom? Zero tolerance for guns in schools should remain for all non-law enforcement.
Eric
01.08.2013
Then they shouldn’t be teachers. You know as well as anyone that an adult doesn’t need a gun to destroy a child. If the ranks of teachers need to be purged then this is a good reason to do it.
Alex Gauthier
12.27.2012
@alexg
perhaps the best approach here is to simply acknowledge and move on. The more hype and attention paid to violent actors the greater incentive there is to other disturbed individuals to idolize and recognize and idolize them.
Wendy Innes
12.27.2012
@wendyppp
I agree, in fact there was a movement after Columbine to not mention the shooters’ names in the media to keep them from being glorified… I think that should be standard policy.
Jane Susskind
12.27.2012
@jsusskind
Classrooms are supposed to be a safe place. Bringing more guns into the classrooms creates an environment of fear and agression. I really do not believe that 6 year old children should be surrounded by guns while trying to learn. Some of the ideas put forth by both pro-fun advocates and pro gun-control advocates could help reduce gun-related violence. I think you make a great point Wendy – a multifaceted approach is necessary. Trying to combat gun violence by isolating certain policies or problems won’t solve anything. The issue is much more complex and should be treated in a way that addresses its complexities.
Eric
01.08.2013
With armed people around they will be safe. That’s the point. Go Google ABC’s “A Child’s Answer to Gun Violence” and watch it. If a group of young children from Brooklyn can correctly explain that guns aren’t necessarily good or bad and express that an armed guard would make them feel BETTER, than why do you assume that the children would be afraid?
Aaron Ki Møller
12.28.2012
Allow people to defend themselves.
David Bloch
12.28.2012
universal health care, strong gun regulations
Michael Barcelona
12.28.2012
I believe in gun control…. use both hands, and keep your piece clean!!!
Alden Huckvale
12.28.2012
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Teach Virtue along with the Vices of deficiency and excess. Without virtue one cannot have a fully developed Conscience.
Terry Friday
12.28.2012
allow open carry for eligible people the crooks won’t know or in some cases will know and will not try something stupid.
Julie Fielder
12.28.2012
We need stronger Laws against criminals with guns and Bring back Health Care for the Mentally Ill.
Sharon Mooningham
12.28.2012
The government practicing what they preach. Lead by example. Taking mental illness seriously and the law taking animal abuse seriously as it is directly connected to the psychological downfall of the human mind.
Robert Preciado
12.28.2012
Pay for police in schools with a gun tax, how ever much it costs.
Eric
01.08.2013
There were 2.8 million background checks last month alone. That’s more than 2.8 million new firearms purchased last month. We’re pretty much stocked up, and most people have used up their gun money for a while.
I like that you’re actually dealing with the problem of how to deter violent behavior, but taxes always have unintended consequences, like not raising any money for six months while people wait for prices to come back down and their bank accounts to recover.
Karen Lillis Bravo
12.28.2012
give all men valium
Nicole Kelly
12.28.2012
Education. Guns aren’t going away. Instead of instilling fear and stigma in society, teach people how to how to properly handle and care for firearms. It has to start with the children.
Walt Bungard
12.28.2012
Psychologic algorythm.
Drake Gilham
12.28.2012
I agree with the open carry idea, but as Admiral Yamamato said when asked why he did not invade the US mainland when done bombing Pearl Habor….” because I knew, behind every blade of grass was a weapon…” in other words, they knew the average NON-Military American was ARMED!!! And there was NO WAY they were going to send their soldier’s to be sacrificed foolishly…this is what has always been the deciding factor behind our enemies minds about invading the USA…they KNEW that the AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN was armed…they KNOW that they would not be up against a mechanized military or limited Civil force like the police…but up against an ENTIRE ARMED NATION willing to FIGHT!! And now we throw down our weapons voluntarily?? The deterrent of fear that once kept us from being invaded by our enemies all these years will be GONE!!!! And we are down sizing our MILITARY on top of it all??? Canada and Mexico best watch very closely…cause if WE GO DOWN…they will be NEXT!!!
Nathaniel Drake
12.28.2012
New assault weapons ban, all the way. But the real problem is that we live in a culture that glorifies violence. Unfortunately, we will need more than politics to solve that.
Derek Strong
12.28.2012
Education.
Paul Grajciar
12.28.2012
Im glad to see that at the very least this horrific event has led to some common sense.
Norma Jean Bowman
12.28.2012
All schools have maintenance type personnel of whom could be sworn in as armed deputy law enforcement officers or security officers.
Using veterans is another option.
The important thing is that we must protect our children first and foremost from deranged individuals.
We are living in a very chaotic world and it doesn’t appear to be an easy fix.
More will go off the deep end so long as the economy is out of whack and psychotic medication is prescribed for numerous ailments.Most of these medications have major mind altering side effects.
Defending ones family, self, and property is a God given right and no one should be condemned for exercising their right to bear arms. A criminal with a history of violence is the exception.
Heck…even in the wild west…guns were no more feared than a piece of jewelry. All kids knew they were a necessity.
We must stop pampering our kids as if they are not capable of
understanding reality.
Gerry Feldman
12.28.2012
First, here’s what won’t work:
1. Prohibition. People will find ways to get guns, and you can’t go after the ones they already have.
2. Security guards in every school. Too expensive.
3. Mandatory psychological screenings. People won’t come forward, and you can’t force them to.
4. Arming teachers. Kids will get their hands on the gun and start shooting. Besides, a teacher won’t have time to react if a shooter does enter the classroom.
5. Arming everybody. Misuse of guns leads to more deaths, and even legal use may cause innocent people to get caught in the crossfire.
What I think will work is a combination of healthcare and usage control:
1. A Medicare-for-all system that charges premiums like any other insurance plan does, offset by need-based vouchers. Psychological screenings and treatment would be covered at 100%. If you don’t get regular checkups, your premium would increase and you would be denied the right to purchase a gun or carry one in public.
2. A government-issued holster would be the only legal means of carrying a gun in public. It would alert police when and where the gun is used. (Yes, it is like big brother, but you have to give up some privacy in the interest of safety.) Possessing a gun in public without the government-issued holster would result in immediate imprisonment. Details beyond that would be decided by each state.
Eric
01.08.2013
Mr Gerry-
Utah has allowed not only teachers but ANY state resident to carry concealed in their schools for over six years now. I’m not sure why anyone would think that a child would go digging around in a teacher’s clothes and extract the handgun from its holster without the teacher noticing, and I’m even less certain how you prognosticate that no teacher will ever have time to react to a shooter entering the classroom. Even if they could only react fast enough half of the time, that would be an increase in survivability that most people would be comfortable with.
And I’m not sure who the “everybody” is if we’ve already armed the teachers, but let’s say that everybody is armed. Why do you assume that they’ll all start indiscriminately shooting at everything that moves? There have been two permit holders who have responded to mass shootings and didn’t fire a shot, one of whom stopped the gunman. I’m not sure where the idea comes from that everyone is a trigger happy lunatic.
The kind of people who prey on children and mall shoppers are not hardened violent criminals, they are sick, cowardly individuals who desire to play God a while. Once that is no longer an option they give up or kill themselves. If they know that they will never even get the chance because any one of the teachers inside the building could pull a weapon on them, the entire activity becomes much, much less enticing.
Your psychological screenings idea is interesting, and I confess I like it in principle. When I was in college and first learning about guns, a friend and I talked about a gun organization “like the NRA only less nuts”. It seems unreasonable to say “no infringement whatsoever”.
That is until you see the number of politicians who have outright said that gun confiscation is the ultimate goal. I hope you can see how that ruins any spirit of cooperation one might have. Why would you allow someone to infringe on your rights a little bit if you know they want to completely take them away? I won’t clutter the place up with a long list of quotes, but if you’d like to see them, just say so.
Your government issued holster idea is I’m afraid not workable. You’re talking about millions of holsters for many different models of guns with technology that does not yet exist. If we can’t afford security guards, we certainly can’t afford something like that. And that’s ignoring the obvious problems with taking the gun out to clean, load, or unload it.
But your somewhat inconsistent fiscal realism is to be commended. Whatever the solution will be, it can’t be expensive. Americans will have to step up one way or the other.
Drake Gilham
12.28.2012
This is why I m so SO embarrassed to be a registered Independent…”Gun’s will not go away…”??? Are you serious??? Are you AWAKE to whats going on all over the nation right now??? OMG!!! You better use your computer for more than playing games in Facebook …do some research…see how the cops all over the country are buying people’s guns back no questions asked..amnesty for all if you do…and they are running out of money everyday to do so…Tens of thousands are lining up!!! COWARDS, ALL OF THEM!!!
Dallas McCoy
12.28.2012
We have an entity in this nation that is creating the monster killers from among the population. Find and eliminate their intent and the killer problem will be solved.
Barbara Harris
12.28.2012
Require EVERY gun of any description to be produced/retrofitted with RFID chip, everybody can keep any gun that is, confiscate and destroy every gun that isn’t. Equip gun-free zones with detectors that set off alarms/lock down facilities/alert authorities.
Eric
01.08.2013
Problem 1. SCOTUS has said that making it unaffordable to exercise a right is unconstitutional.
Problem 2. Unaffordable. I believe I heard some complaints about who would pay for a $15/hour security guard.
Problem 3. Someone wanting to kill kids will switch to knives, gasoline, machetes, axes, bombs, etc. Gun free zones, even high tech ones, do not protect children.
Bill Long
12.28.2012
Sell more guns and make it known
William Arthur
12.28.2012
Stop paying attention to the media. For every one gun-related tragedy there are literally hundreds of examples of crimes and other tragedies being stopped by gun owners. However, today’s big media does not report on such instances, with the exception of local newspapers. Read up on actual crime rates involving illegal gun activity, the numbers do not lie.
Travis Russell Hughs
12.28.2012
Aim low/left bring ‘em up right
Christopher Smith
12.28.2012
The highest gun violence is in inner cities that have the strictest gun laws. Evidence is in the reality. Chicago, DC, NY, and many others have been fighting gun violence by making laws that only the good citizens follow for decades. Wake up. People have far more power than Government. There will never be a sole entity that people can trust with their life, yet not abuse that power. To think there is or ever will be is naive.
Joey Huestis
12.28.2012
We must STOP letting the NRA call the shots (no pun intended) on regulations. Did you know THEY have prevented the ATF from having a computerized database that would alert them to who is buying what and how many guns or ammo they’re buying? Imagine if the ATF could have known that guy in Aurora was buying huge amounts of ammo for his assault rifles, bullet proof vests and so on? They would have had the resource to check him out and arrested him in advance (if their was evidence to warrant this). The only way they can trace weapons is by pouring over hard copies of scrawled out records from the seller AFTER the fact. Start there at least! At the same time, we must stop stigmatizing mental health issues, put counselors back into the schools and make getting help easier and less costly. It should be part of Obamacare.
Eric
01.08.2013
Of course the NRA was opposed to that. Registration is often a prelude to confiscation, a stated goal of many gun control advocates.
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, and you can still buy the components of the bomb he made, and you can still rent a box truck. None of that is entered into a computerized database.
Why don’t we give every single American citizen an official user ID and enter it into a database so that individuals can be tracked online to ensure they’re not involved in computer crime or cyberterrorism? You can enter it in every time you buy something, make comments about the government, or look at porn. Seems only prudent.
We have a thing about treating people like criminals when they’re not. Thousands of rounds of ammunition is not that remarkable a number. You’ll burn through a thousand rounds in a single class, and people buying ammunition do so exactly the same way they buy toilet paper. You buy a lot when you see a good deal. People are especially prone to buy a lot of ammunition because a favorite gun control talking point is making ammunition prohibitively expensive.
On mental health, I agree with you. I would argue that making something part of a third party payer system does ANYTHING but make it less costly, but that is for another discussion.
Jason Harsha
12.28.2012
First you have to take emotion and ignorance out of the issue. So called “assault” weapons account for 0.5% of all gun violence, so an assault weapon ban does nothing to address gun violence, other than playing up to the ignorant. We also must acknowledge the fact that nearly 50% of all gun violence occurs in the inner cities. Then there is the fact that nearly all of these mass shootings are carried out by people with documented behavioral problems that were ignored. So, factually, we know that handguns, inner city minorities and mentally ill people are reaponsible for most gun murders; so the question becomes, how do we address these issues (without calling down the wrath of the willfully ignorant PC crowd)? It is not PC to point out that the culture of the inner cities is self destructive, but it is a large contributor to the problems there. Another issue is that a person’s medical history is protected by law, making it nearly impossible to deny someone with behavioral problems from buying guns (which wouldn’t have mattered in CONN since the guns were stolen). If these problems arem’t addressed, then tell me how an “assault” weapon ban is supposed to curb gun violence.
Grenville Berliner
12.28.2012
Teach conflict resolution techniques starting in elementary school.
Edward Theilmann
12.28.2012
Some guy got pushed in front of a subway train yesterday in NY city..I think we need to outlaw trains they are killing people
Johnny Ritchie
12.28.2012
The assault rifle with the 30 round clips added to the recent tragedy of 26 innocent deaths. We are too late for those 20 six and seven year olds and six Teachers. The guns were accessable, with ease, to the mentally disturbed son. It has been documented the son played the blood and gut war game video’s. Personnally, I think several actions can be made to make our Children, Teachers, Theaters, Malls,…… civilization more safe for the innocents. This is from a gun owner, Hunter, and supporter of the second ammendment.
Carlos Perez
12.28.2012
Don’t let the poors realize they can kill rich people with the guns.
James Kothrade
12.28.2012
In this state the gun laws are “open”. you can carry your gun with you in the open. Funny on how few problems we have with shootings, home invasions, etc.
Nima Faanunu
12.28.2012
You ban guns.. you only empower crooks.
Dennis Pederson
12.28.2012
If you want a simple solution – go find a simple problem.
Eric
01.08.2013
Ah, Dennis. At last a comment we both agree on. Everyone wants it to be simple, and yet many people are on SSRIs, watch violent movies, play violent video games, own lots of guns, and DON’T shoot up schools and theaters.
All of our problems, meaning 99.9% of our violent crime would eventually vanish if kids had good friends and good role models. That’s the problem. Then at the very least if a kid started to go crazy there would be someone there to notice it.
The problem is, government can’t do a damn thing about this. But they will work their way down the Bill of Rights before they admit it.
Will Bauman
12.29.2012
Stop violence inTV programs.
Elise Hokman
12.29.2012
First off, there are no ‘rights’ except those which we as a society determined to give ourselves. Secondly, in 1996, Australia put severe restrictions in place as to the types of firearms would be available to the public. Studies showed that all that fuss did NOT significantly decrease firearm violence. However, from 1986-1996, Australia had 11 mass killings using multi round weapons. Since 1996, there have been NO mass killings. Hmmmm. Thirdly, I believe that there has to be a way to track weapons from the point of origin to wherever they end up. No imports of firearms from other countries (legally) – and step up stopping the illegal trafficking.
Eric
01.09.2013
Elise-
If you think that rights are something to be cast aside when the majority deems it convenient to do so, I would suggest you think long and hard about the implications of that. The Founding Fathers so often demonized for being rich white landowners at least believed that people inherently had rights, and that the Constitution should not grant those rights, but rather protect them. Their application of this was admittedly spotty, but at least they recognized that rights were not something to be arbitrarily taken away because 51% say so.
Your summary of Australian criminal history is inaccurate. Just four years after Australia spent half a billion dollars to destroy 640,000 guns (about 20% of Australia’s firearms) a drifter killed 15 people with a pack of matches in the Childers Palace fire. Bad people do bad things, and they don’t need guns to do them.
And “step up stopping the illegal trafficking”? I’m not sure what illegal trafficking you’re talking about besides the ATF sending guns down into Mexico, but surely you don’t think we could keep guns from being smuggled into the country? We have 50 years of drug war that proves that not to be the case. The cartels use boats, trucks, commercial flights, the mail, and even submarines to get drugs into the country, why not add some guns into the mix? I’m sure they wouldn’t mind the additional revenue.
Elise Hokman
12.29.2012
I agree Barbara…if they can track artificial hips and utilize microchips on dogs/cats…then they should be able to track firearms from point of manufacturing and assembly.
Bruce Mccoy
01.01.2013
@bruce_mccoy
I don’t think there’s a sure way to stop ‘wackos’; the question is how to reduce the threat/risk to an ‘acceptable’ level; and I don’t think we’ve characterized the risk so that we can do that – e.g., what is factor of banning ‘assault weapons’ in reducing a) mass shootings, b) drive bys, etc., what the cost is in iives, injuries, etc. And then, what is the cost of reducing the risk to a lower level.
Jakmak52
01.05.2013
In response to Sen. Feinsteins’s peress release. I believe that anyone who tries to modify the 2nd Amendment in anyway is an act of treason. The 2nd amendment reads “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. “ NOT “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms ( except fully automatic or semi – automatic weapons or magazines supporting more than 10 rounds) shall not be infringed. The common denominator is not the access to weapons but the mental stability of the assailant. “Military” style weapons are NOT semi – automatics. Any weapon at all can be considered a killer weapon not just the Bushmaster.