The Unpredictable Bout: Ryan And Biden Face Off
By Terri Harel | 10/10/2012 | Elections 2012, Headline, President | 35 Comments
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There seems to be little consensus on the future outcome of Thursday’s one-and-only vice presidential debate. The Ryan and Biden face off appears to have no player with a clear advantage and, thus far, each competitor has remained very amicable to the other. One thing that is agreed upon is that the current vice president must remain firm on challenging Ryan to substantiate all his remarks, something that Obama failed to do in his first debate with Romney.
Biden has over four decades of experience in public service, including having gone through two presidential campaigns, and has maintained a long-standing role in policy making. Despite Biden’s a past of media-hyped, politically gaffe statements, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus recently said of Biden, “Joe Biden is a gifted orator. He is very good at rhetoric, and I think he is very relatable.”
Biden has been at the helm of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act since its inception in 2009, focusing on “college affordability and American manufacturing growth.” Biden should highlight the successes of the ARRA, which was urged by President Obama, in both qualitative and quantitative terms. If Biden allows Ryan to stick him with his recent statement about the middle class being “buried” for the last four years, Biden could easily find himself backed into a corner.
Ryan is known for his strong, conservative stance on fiscal issues and is currently serving as House Budget Committee Chairman. His controversial budget proposals were even (briefly) called “right-wing social engineering” by conservative colleague Newt Gingrich. Ryan’s plan includes an overhaul of Medicare, a topic surely to be addressed during Thursday’s debate. It will be on domestic fiscal issues that Biden will have to ensure maximum preparedness.
In a February press release that followed Obama’s request for the 2013 Budget, Ryan had remarked, “Our families, seniors, children and grandchildren deserve better than this reckless budget and this dismal failure of leadership. As Chairman of the House Budget Committee, I will continue to work with my colleagues – from both parties where possible – to advance bold solutions that lift our crushing burden of debt and ensure a future of opportunity, growth and prosperity.” Ryan is quick and straightforward, and can make a strong rhetorical appeal to the American family and its traditional values. This will require Biden’s utmost sharpness.
However, Darrell M. West, the Vice President of Governance Studies at the Brookings Institute, notes that there should not be so much worry surrounding the vice president’s performance. West remarked that he “doesn’t have to be very tough on Ryan. He just has to point out how the Romney/Ryan policies will affect women, seniors, young people, and minorities.”
It will most likely be a more complex game than that, but Biden will have a chance to hit heavy on foreign policy. After Romney’s foreign policy speech in Vermont on Monday, Ryan spoke in near identical terms on those issues, giving Biden a rather clear view of the GOP team’s foreign policy strategy.
While the spotlight is almost always on the presidential nominees, the vice presidential debate is an interesting step back that offers a wide-angled look at campaign platforms. Vice presidents, after all, serve as close advisers to their president. Additionally, the debate serves as the first official confrontation that addresses both domestic and foreign policy. This could give the presidential candidates a picture of their opponent’s strategy over the next few weeks and help determine their famous last words on the campaign trail.





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Matt Metzner
10.10.2012
@mmetzner
I’m looking forward to watching these two debate on Thursday. Mr. West is probably right, he could also point to the Ryan budget. The VP candidates aren’t on as short a leash as their running mates so the debate could be more entertaining than the last.
Emma Goda
10.10.2012
@emmagoda
I am looking forward to hearing them debate. I am not a huge fan of Biden so I am interested to hear what Ryan has to say.
Jane Susskind
10.10.2012
@jsusskind
I have a feeling this debate will be a lot more interesting that last week’s. We rarely focus on the VP and it will be nice to hear to different voices in the election. Biden’s known to say some pretty candid stuff, so it should be more lively that the presidential debates. I also haven’t heard that much from Ryan, so am excited to see him on his feet, backing up his plans for the budget.
Mike Chirillo
10.10.2012
@mikec
Even before Obama’s lackluster performance last debate, I was expecting Biden to be in more of an “attack dog” mode than the President for this upcoming debate. I still expect that to be the game plan for Dems, particularly after Obama’s “dignified” approach (exhibited since the convention) fell flat last debate.
Lucas Eaves
10.10.2012
@lucaseaves
As a foreigner, i never got a good grip on what vice president do except becoming president when the president dies (thanks to American movies and TV shows) so I am looking forward to tomorrows duel.
Alex Gauthier
10.10.2012
@alexg
Vice presidents usually do a lot of diplomacy type things, like shooting people in the face while bird-hunting
Blaz Gutierrez
10.10.2012
@blazgutierrez
It’s a weird constitutional grey area. The VP formally is the President of the Senate and the successor to the presidency in the event of death. So the question is whether the VP is an executive or legislative officer. No one really knows
Informally though he serves as the chief advisor to the pres, but this is a role has only come about recently. Cheney really exemplified the height of veep influence.
Karli Dwyer
10.10.2012
That’s almost all a VP does do…oh, and often runs for President afterward.
Michael Higham
10.10.2012
@michaelhigham
I want to see how Paul Ryan handles himself in a live debate. His personal stances are a bit more solid than Romney’s so I want to see how he presents those stances against Biden. Biden is a bit more aggressive than Obama too, so I’d like to see how Ryan would react.
Jimmy Collazo
10.10.2012
Don’t care
Nannette Durieux
10.10.2012
Don’t like this kind of comedy. Not watching thanks. Gonna paint my bathroom.
Clarence Young
10.10.2012
I will not be watching. I would be interested in the interplay between Libertarian VP Judge Jim Gray and these two. Otherwise no interest in establishment power players.
Linda Moore
10.10.2012
I’m languishing in “don’t care” land. LIARS!!!!
Tim Masters
10.10.2012
Ryan will own Biden. Biden can’t talk to himself without making a gaff lol, he has no chance against Ryan
Tiffany Palen-Edwards
10.10.2012
If you don’t care then you have no room to complain that our country is complete crap right now!
Christine K. McCloud
10.10.2012
Personally, I can’t wait for the replay on SNL.
Donavan Spencer
10.10.2012
Where is judge Gray? I’d like a VP who could actually step in and run the country instead of either of these clowns.
Dale A. Schoening
10.10.2012
No. VP debates are even more irrelevant than presidential debates.
Terri Harel
10.10.2012
@tlharel
I think this particular VP debate could be very interesting because of the closeness of the race and the fact that VP candidates are potentially much less tethered. Should be interesting…
Lana Gail Osborne Dearing
10.10.2012
Eho cates. They won’t let judge Jim Gray debate
Lana Gail Osborne Dearing
10.10.2012
Who cares. Sorry about typos, RA hands.
Joyce Cook
10.10.2012
@Tiffany & Tim..u 2 seem to be the only people commenting here that cares about the upcoming election & who, if the president died, could lead the country. How frightening is the thought of “clueless Joe” running the country? It’s almost as scary as NObama getting re-elected. I’m sure Ryan will mop the floor with NOJoe..except on the Liberal news stations. It’s refreshing to see people who truly care about America instead of “I don’t care”. Our country is at stake & all these other people can say is “I don’t care”, “liars”, & “I’m going to paint my bathroom”? God save America!!!
Gwen Brinn
10.10.2012
well, they’re both bought and paid for,so probably SSDD.
Sharon Calderone
10.10.2012
I will be watching and I care very much. And I vote responsibly.
Michael Sullivan
10.10.2012
Yes !
Hal Dunn
10.10.2012
Google “Biden plagiarism” if you want to know why they have us all talking about his goofy gaffes instead of any substance pertaining to that incompetent idiot.
Regina Miglio Ries
10.10.2012
I can’at wait!!!
Louie Goitz
10.10.2012
Steel cage loony match
Louie Goitz
10.10.2012
Google ” ayn rand acolyte’ for Ryan
Louie Goitz
10.10.2012
Mittens is 65..he has more of a chance of kicking
Scott Malensek
10.10.2012
It’s not unpredictable.
Ryan will bore people w numbers
Biden will pretend he’s an expert on foreign policy (having authorized 73 military operations, wars, bombing campaigns, and retreats in his 42yrs)
Ryan will attack Obama
Biden will attack Romney
Ryan will make a pouty face
Biden will give a used car salesman smile
Ryan will have facts
Biden will be confused
Pundits on both sides will claim the other side lied
La'Dene Bean
10.10.2012
No. I’ve decided for whom I will cast a vote. There is nothing either side can say at this point to alter that. Both will say whatever is necessary to sway the Undecided voters. At this late date and with so very much data out there for those willing to dig, choice is clear and certain. Either you are for immoral decadent liars or for the people and will vote accordingly. Too bad the racist bigot will cut off their own noses to spite the Black Face in the White House – and bow and scrape to the “betters ~
Billy White
10.10.2012
what a choice this year.. i have a word for it SUCKS.. good luck
Paul Vachon
10.11.2012
Ryan’s far superior intellect, knowledge and constitutional commitment, wipes the floor with the mental midget, Biden.
Ian Dawes
10.12.2012
@iandawes
Congratulations @Joe_Biden on an excellent debate last night. You really brought the issues to the table and addressed them candidly. Thank you.