Romney’s Claims About Medicare And Taxes Seen As Dishonest
By Trevor Hayes | 10/08/2012 | Elections 2012, Headline, Health Care, President, Taxes | 50 Comments
Credit: barackobama.com
Last week’s first presidential debate was heavy on rhetoric and short on facts, especially Romney’s claims about Medicare and tax breaks. As the ninety minute debate pressed on, it became increasingly obvious that Jim Lehrer had lost all control of the debate, as both candidates spoke over their time limits, interrupted the moderator as well as each other, and often simply brushed over the question. To those who paid close attention, the back and forth between the President and his challenger, Mitt Romney, became repetitive and left viewers thirsting for more accountability.
When President Obama made the statement that Mitt Romney was advocating a $5 trillion tax break, Romney was quick to refute this claim responding, “I don’t have a $5 trillion cut. I don’t have a tax cut of the scale that you’re talking about.” However, Citizens for Tax Justice reports that the President’s claim is true, and then some. According to the report, not only does Romney advocate extending the Bush Era tax cuts, which cost approximately $5 trillion, his new tax breaks would also cost another $500 billion per year, bringing the total up to almost $10 trillion.
Another contentious claim was made by Romney himself in regards to Medicare. ”If the president were to be reelected you’re going to see a $716 billion cut to Medicare,” Romney said. “You’ll have 4 million people who will lose Medicare Advantage. You’ll have hospitals and providers that’ll no longer accept Medicare patients. I’ll restore that $716 billion to Medicare.” Most likely Governor Romney is referring to a recent report from the congressional budget office that predicts that Obamacare will cut $716 billion in Medicare spending between 2013 and 2022.
The former Governor’s claim is, in fact, disingenuous. In the sense that Mitt Romney is speaking, it implies that “Obamacare” will cut $716 billion from Medicare recipients, which is false. The law will institute changes over the next ten years in an effort to reduce spending allocated for the program’s payments to insurance companies and to hospitals. This will not directly impact current or future recipients, as the amount is actually just a reallocation of the funds from Medicare to “Obamacare.” The argument could be made that these cuts will have a greater impact on the health care system as a whole, but without this crucial context, Romney’s claim is misleading.
Read more about Romney and Obama’s stances on Medicare HERE
The fact that voters need to go to external sources to verify claims made during the debates indicates our desperate need for a new debate format in which candidates are held more accountable for what they say and how they respond to one another. What remains to be seen, however, is if any amendments will actually bring about more substantive discourse or if candidates will continue to manipulate language to benefit their campaigns.





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Matt Metzner
10.08.2012
@mmetzner
The debates are a great reminder that voters need to do their homework. They cannot rely on the politicians or partisan media pundits for credible information that they can make an educated vote based upon.
William Boardman
10.08.2012
@williamboardman
Of course voters are ultimately responsible for their own knowledge.
But that begs the question of why the publicly-own airwaves
should be used for deliberate obfuscation.
Why should we be paying to get ourselves misled?
Chad Peace
10.08.2012
@Chad_Peace
GOP says money taken away from Medicare. They also say that ObamaCare increased government costs by almost a trillion.
Truth is, most of the “taking away” and “increases in cost” are simply shifting the costs of one program onto another … its largely a wash.
In other words, the debate is manufactured, like the talking points. They are arguing over what credit card…priceless.
Michael Higham
10.08.2012
@michaelhigham
All debates I’ve been watching and attending, both local and national, require the audience to do external fact checking. The first presidential debate was the worst. Both candidates boil down their differences to over simplified claims that either side can easily come away with as true. I hope the next moderators of the future debates will set both candidates straight.
William Boardman
10.08.2012
@williamboardman
Asking a moderator to serve as a fact-checker os reasonable enough,
except that in the real world it’s likely to be a career-killer.
On the other hand, fact-free debates are hardly worth having.
How about giving candidates fact-challenges against each other
and a panel to sort it out authoritatively, while the audiences waits
watching “I Love Lucy” re-runs?
Michael Higham
10.08.2012
@michaelhigham
Guess we can’t have our cake and eat it too! I’d like to see a moderator that asks candidates to substantiate their claims if the candidates bring up a “fact”. Like you said, it’ll probably make them look like jerks but I always come away from these debates learning nothing (Other than Romney having shiny eyes!)
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
So what is wrong with a candidate looking like a jerk?
Especially when he’s acting like a jerk?
Plus it would make for good television.
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
So what is wrong with a candidate looking like a jerk?
Especially when he’s (or she’s) acting like a jerk?
Plus it would make for good television.
Emma Goda
10.08.2012
@emmagoda
Medicare is a huge issue that needs to be understood by voters.
William Boardman
10.08.2012
@williamboardman
Medicare seems to be pretty well understood outside the beltway,
that’s why it polls strongly,
as does medicare-for-all.
Those who complicate the issue
generally don’t have the general welfare in mind.
Alex Gauthier
10.08.2012
@alexg
Awesome sober interpretation of the facts. Everyone talking about body language and tone was getting old fast.
William Boardman
10.08.2012
@williamboardman
What’s good about this piece is that it starts to honor facts.
I say “starts” because it goes and hides in the they-all-do-it meme,
when the article itself shows only Romney doing it.
Maybe Obama needs fact-checking, maybe not, but that’s a factual
question to be answered with facts, not kneejerk, fact-free ideology.
Trevor Hayes
10.08.2012
@thayes
Hrm, seems like its pretty clear from the outset that it’s Romney who is doing the majority of the misleading here. The title says it all, does it not?
Genevieve Santiago
10.08.2012
@gsantiago87
It was frustrating watching the debate for many reasons. Jim Lehrer had no control over the candidates and policy generalities seemed the norm. As this article points out, Romney often refuted claims that President Obama made. It was too simplistic. Romney basically said, “that’s not true,” and it seemed to be perceived as fact.
The debate and the aftermath have been really absurd. It has been considered a “win” for Romney by many, and according to Pew Research Center, he has taken away President Obama’s lead.
Dorian Cole
10.08.2012
I have very big questions about financial realism in Romney’s statements. Romney raised important questions in the debates and since, that need clarification. He said that he would not approve spending that would require borrowing from China. The CBO projects the 2013 budget deficit to decline, but still be $977 billion. What specifically does Romney plan to cut to cover that spending? Romney also indicates that he would devote more money to military spending. Where is that money coming from? Statistically there hasn’t been a decrease in the National Debt under any Republican President since Eisenhower, in fact it rapidly increases, so an explanation is required. Please feel free to critique my research: http://visualwriter.com/WhatKindWorld/economics_party.htm
William Boardman
10.12.2012
@williamboardman
Of course there’s no there there
when it comes to Romney math.
He doesn’t think in base ten,
he thinks in base pander.
William Boardman
10.12.2012
@williamboardman
As for the Republican record on national debt —
until there’s evidence to the contrary,
the independent thinker is wise to assume
that past is prologue.
Travis Russell Hughs
10.08.2012
@Travis Russell Hughs
One thing is very clear if it is wrong for Obama to take 700 billion from Medicare it is also wrong to cut 5 trillion from Social Security! Thank you have a nice day!
Kent Schisler
10.09.2012
It’s about TRUST, and I don’t trust either of the 2 Party Candidates today…..
Jay Turley
10.09.2012
Handicap their opponent in the general election for every provable lie they tell.
Bob Orso
10.09.2012
Romney is evil and arrogant. Lie and people will follow, regardless.
Lana Gail Osborne Dearing
10.09.2012
Have a real open debate with all candidates
Steven Golnik
10.09.2012
People expect politicians to have super powers and the politicians campaign as if they did.
Ron Cram
10.09.2012
There are only two viable candidates, really only one. Romney will win in a landslide. Obama ran as a moderate in 2008 and won over many independents. Now we know he is not a moderate and very few independents will vote for him. This news article says Romney is up by 16% over Obama. I think Romney is up by a much higher number. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/08/Battleground-Romney-Crushing-Obama-Indies
William Boardman
10.12.2012
@williamboardman
Yeah, breitbart.com,
everyone’s choice
for unbiased reporting….
Seriously?
Cathy Giancola
10.09.2012
Why are you insinuating Romney is lying and Obama is beyond reproach??? Your message is generic, but your picture and subject is leaning to the far left there. How about a little fair and balanced on your independent side and quit using Obama fact checkers? Obama is going to lower payments for services in Medicare…which is A CUT TO MEDICARE, to the tune of over 700billion yet Obama is not lying when he says he not cutting Medicare? Really?
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
Obamacare does cut $700 billion from medicare, but NOT from benefits.
The Ryan budget cuts $700 billion from medicare benefits,
on the way toward turning it into a health stamps program.
Brett A. Goda
10.09.2012
I thought this site was suppose to consist of unbiased news article. The author of this article provided zero evidence of the claims being dishonest!
Tina Thornton
10.09.2012
Romney continues to lie. Which ever way the wind blows.
Kevin Hall
10.09.2012
What do you mean either candidate? Romney lies, Obama speaks about facts. Check it.
Beca Zaun
10.09.2012
@Tina, and Obama “never” lies??? Right. They BOTH twist facts to suit themselves.
Carol Belflower Bland
10.09.2012
Obama talks out both sides of his mouth while he lies. ALL politicians LIE… get over it. The fact that we have to search the internet for the truth about anything anyone says nowadays is disheartening… the main stream media only gives us entertainment, they are no longer in the fact finding business and they spin EVERYTHING to their agenda.
Zachery Abramson
10.09.2012
@zabramso
I agree, but that’s what makes the internet so interesting, because it allows more people to fact check and be aware of political spin.
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
Any sweeping generalization tends to be as wrong as these are.
If you call someone a liar, you have an obligation to identify
at least one specific lie.
Stormy Leigh
10.09.2012
Obama cut over 700billion from Medicare and eliminating a patients access to medical care. That’s a fact.
Romney is advocating Medicare Advantage, a program that was under budget and seniors loved.
This is not an independent site at all **sigh**
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
Your “fact” actually isn’t a fact.
The Obama $700 billion from medicare does not cut benefits,
but rather cuts payments to insurance companies and others.
The Ryan budget $700 billion from medicare cuts benefits
(before actually turning the program into health stamps)
but protects insurance companies, maybe others.
Medicare Advantage is a red herring — it’s a government-subsidized,
private insurance program, used by about 25% or medicare recipients,
and adds about $14 billion per year to the cost of Medicare. http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/2052-15.pdf
Robin Swanson
10.09.2012
I agree with Brett – I have noticed this trend on this site.
David Martin
10.09.2012
Agreed Stormy…the writer is slanted toward Obama…
Mary Bullock Mullins
10.09.2012
WHAT? A dishonest politician? No way. . . :op
Denny Denney
10.09.2012
Deceit in American politics? No way, must just be another lie! Yeah that’s it, just an honest little lie.
Johnny Ritchie
10.09.2012
Seen as dishonest? Hell he flipped on everything he has been saying for a year!
Kathy Jones
10.09.2012
Just read the princeton report which by the way is a very leaning left who supports Romney tax stats. I suggest everyone read it and judge themselves after reading the numbers.
Dave Palermo
10.09.2012
Mitt Romney debates himself
Melissa Rodriguez
10.09.2012
The link doesn’t work. The article no longer exists.
John Mcilvain
10.09.2012
-Reading this post…and then looking at the comments…why is the left SOOOOOO sterotypical with its comments???
William Boardman
10.09.2012
@williamboardman
Identify what you perceive as a stereotype.
Then explain how it might be inaccurate.
John Mcilvain
10.09.2012
Uh Oh…is there another Palermo to block and disregard?
Matthew Crockett
10.09.2012
Why is it people who on other occasions call themselves conservatives (like John Mcilvain, Cathy Giancola, etc.) who join pages devoted to Independents (which no one with any scruples would call these people) just so they can rant about how any source that doesn’t brainlessly support their unsubstantiated assumptions Has to be guilty of liberal bias? If you’re a partisan-troll, do the rest of us a favor and stick to your own pages.
Vinny Terenzi
10.09.2012
he cant tell the truth and still win the election so he dosent
Tyler agent
12.03.2012
I am so glad to be able to say that this election is over, because during the whole election my family couldn’t have a single conversation without bringing up the topic of politics and when that topic came up an argument, usually always followed afterwords. And the thing that always got my grandparents riled up was over medicare advantage plans and healthcare. And when grandpa gets going on his rant, their is not stopping him.