Like never before in the history of reporting numbers, definitions and connotations are being thrown around in an irresponsible fashion. However, the common denominator for the loose lips and definitions is now becoming increasingly clear. Anything goes for gun control. Today’s reporting on the subject has turned gun control into a lightning match with numbers. Titles and articles are riddled with holes filled with missing facts and half truths. Many articles read as a jumbled mess of “30 round clips, 6,000 round stockpile, 4 gun arsenal, 40 gun arsenal, 2 people killing rampages.” Like sex, gun control sells, and there is no greater way to sell copies like telling people how they can lose five pounds and eat ice cream or how they are going to die in a hail of gun fire without federal protection.
There is no denying that this summer has been a hard one for the American people, in the last three months we have had three mass shootings. The Empire State Building shooting can join this list. Now what is being played out in front of us is the left and right fighting to justify, deny, or rationalize what actions they deem are appropriate for this situation, and more importantly, what they deem appropriate for the American people. Every statistic, every article on gun control, all seem to fall along the same line: it’s a numbers game.
The American people are bombarded by numbers from various media outlets, but none of these numbers seem to be the right numbers. We hear constantly about how many have been killed by someone wielding a gun, how many guns made it to Mexico and other headlines. However, rarely do we ever hear about the guns that stayed in our borders, or the ones that never hurt anyone at all. At the end of the day does it really matter what gun the person used? How many rounds he purchased off the internet?
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence lists some very shocking numbers and facts. As listed on the website, a shocking 63,289 people have been involved in a gun-related incident this year as of today. To put that number in perspective that is roughly the Gillette Stadium of the New England Patriots packed at capacity. The numbers are staggering, and if the numbers are simply left at just that, there is without any doubt that many would believe gun control needs to be a bigger issue. But as always in any statistical evaluation, solving a part of the riddle does not give you the whole solution.
Based off of the numbers reported by Reuters, there is an estimated 270 million guns within America’s borders. A Gallop poll last October stated that gun ownership was at its highest level since 1993, and that was a self reporting poll. There are 270 million guns in America alone, which means roughly 47% of America “reports” to own a gun. When dividing the number of guns in America amongst our population of approximately 311 million people, it comes out close to 90 guns per 100 people. What’s the point? It seems the numbers of the people are speaking quite clearly.
But still we have senators, congressmen and private interest groups hammering at more restrictive gun control. Mayor Bloomberg of New York City and co-founder for Mayors Against Illegal Guns stated two weeks ago on CNN’s Piers Morgan Show that law enforcement officers across the nation should strike until gun ownership is removed from the rights of the American people. Even as bold as Mayor Bloomberg’s opinion was, the most important thing as an independent thinker is to not let his opinion deter the logical thought process. It seems the media constantly presents us with events where the definition of true reporting is resorting to who can present the most ludicrous argument as long as it helps stifle the discussion at hand.
62,524 people already have been affected by gun violence this year and it is the Brady Campaign’s best guess that roughly 100,000 people will have been involved with a shooting related case by the time this year is over. These are the numbers and facts that are known, now contrast those numbers with the estimated 146 million Americans who are reporting that they own a gun and all of a sudden the argument is cast in equally shared light. That would mean that roughly .068% of legal gun owners will actually use their gun in a gun-related incident of violence this year.
Again, the numbers appear to speak clearly for themselves, one could go as far as to point out that it would seem that the gun control legislation on the books is already working, because by their own numbers less then 1% of all legal gun owners in America will use their gun in a illegal fashion.
The question is still present: what as the American people, should we do on the issue of gun control?
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The mass murderers aren't going to give a damn about gun control laws. Those laws would only deny responsible citizens the right to protect themselves. Imagine if the people present at these mass shootings all had guns too. How long do you think it would take for the shooter to be taken down?
also list poison control, knife control, strangling control, clubs and hammer control, rope control, = when it comes down to it , if someone wants to harm someone else ... they will use anything ... so are we going to control everything ??
Funding for mental health treatment and offer counseling and support to people when being laid off or terminated plus some severence pay if only token. Assistance in looking for a new position plus info on unemployment funds would give them some hope. It would also help with students dropping out of or failing in schoo.
The Constitution guarantees us the right to bear arms. This was meant so we could protect ourselves against a corrupt government. The problem is that the corrupt government has assult weapons and weapons of mass destruction. Now we have no defense against the government. Corrupt governments, people and so forth kill with the weapons, we still need our means of protection against these. How many people are killed by the police and how many times do the investigations say that the police were not at fault. Our Constitutional rights are being denied from the inside. Not everyone who has a weapon will go on a shooting rampage.
I wish everyone that feels gun control is the answer would talk to those that thought it was the curse and hammer out a fix....The problem is this guy was not even suspossed to have a gun ...Now what??
i wish EVERY citizen that is responsible would get a ccw permit ... and they are most needed in gun free zones
I carry and I feel safe. I agree with my good friend Mike Harrison. I don't know how different things would be with a bunch of cowboys running around NYC. So no matter what side of the coin your on we need to discuss it.
Lets not forget kitchen butcher knifes too. This was a man with no job, so no medical insurance to get medicine. We will see many more mentally unstabile people w/o insurance acting out as their conditions progress
Anyone who thinks guns are unnecessary is living in a fantasy. The police are not always there. Governments fall. Riots happen. Unarmed citizens are sheep. Imagine if 10% of the Jews in Nazi Germany were armed. Stay in your dream world if it makes you feel good, I'm armed.
Yearly registration renewal for all firearms, personal or business...you don't produce the firearm or produce legit legal sale of said firearm, automatic significant jail term...that would weed out the "I lost it or my house or shop was robbed" crap.
Nothing. Leave the gun issue alone! Sticker punishment for those who use the weapon in a wrongful manner. I.E to commit a crime. We have to remember that guns are not the problem, it is those individuals who decide to use the gun(s) for the wrong purpose.
Gun control is not where the focus of this debate should be.
Countries without such an extreme wealth disparity as we have in the US, do not have the problem of violence that we do. If we want peace, we need much more economic equality, and social programs that rival the rest of the 1st world.
Gun control! Ha! Who benefits? The party with control of the guns. I turn my guns over to the government, and beg them to keep me safe, That'll be the day. Silly people, just give up now and go check into a mental hospital. Say hi to Brandon Raub, and all my fellow Veterans for me while your there!
Jenny, with all due respect, there are already background checks, instant checks, waiting periods longer than the norm (7 days instead of 5 here in Maryland). One thing to also remember, there are fewer police than there are citizens. Besides, history shows other countries that have done what you suggest hasn't helped or change the problem at all. Research this for England.
guns are unecessary. i wish them to be banned. but to compromise i would simply like assault weapon ban, and sweeping nationwide policy for gun ownership not state by state some relaxed some strict.
@jenny I don't see a need for automatic assault weapons either but if someone wants a gun bad enough all the laws, background checks and bans will NOT keep guns from the bad guys.
Guns are not the problem. There should be no laws or restrictions passed that will restrict any person's rights, period.
I am more concerned about this:
We need to actually implement some actual gun control, - start banning full out assault weapons that no one actually needs for a damn thing, - start doing background checks, start protecting people who wish to remain free from guns and gun violence - put safety and OUR RIGHTS to be FREE FROM GUNS first, or at least, for once, equal to the rights of the blood thirsty NRA jerks. I'm tired of the murders, violence, ignorance, and pain caused by guns and gun-crazy people.
I want to know, since nobody wants to talk about it. How many people die of illegal drug abuse? . How many people die every year from alcohol abuse? How many people die of spousal or child abuse. We against drunk driving,abuse,drugs. You name it. where does that get us? how many people will still die? We make it just as hard for law abiding people, normal people as we do for the outlaws. So we take away alcohol. I dont do drugs so better take them away. People still will die. Airplane crashes. Thats another one to outlaw. See it sounds stupid now doesn't it. Oh, more people die from an vehicle accident within 2 miles of home. see, when does the outlawing of every damn thing stop? Making things illegal does nothing to make things better. Criminals could care less what the stupid laws say. Murder is still illegal no matter how you do it. 1 at a time or 100s. It still happens. Tomorrow a plane will crash and we'll want another law. A baby will die from its mother's drug habit. another drunk will run over a family of 6. Do I think we need to change things? Yes,but it does nothing to outlaw the tools that kill.
What would you say about laws that require more extensive background checks and longer waiting periods?
Instead of reciting numbers off the top of a propagandists head, the only way to determine the worth of gun control laws is to examine the official numbers from gun control venues and the United States. Comparing Western Europe in 2010, with its rigid gun controls, less the UK and Iceland, with the 2010 numbers for the US with its generally less restrictive gun laws, and with the US numbers in parentheses, we find the 440,600,000 (308,750,000) Western Europeans had 4,728,875 (1,246,248) violent crimes for a rate of 1072.6 (403.6) per 100,000 population. Western Europe's governments reported 26,161 (12,996) murders for a rate ot 6.0 (4.2) per 100,000 population.
Turning to England, with its estimated population of 55,000,000 (308,750,000) no direct comparison of the murder rate is possible, because of the way the Home Office counts murders. However, the National Crime Survey found a total of "2,203,000 violent incidents against adults," violent crimes, compared to the FBI's "all ages" tally of 1,236,248 - for violent crimes against adults rates of 4156.6 for England and 403.6 for the United States, respectively. And a very definite win for relaxed gun laws.
It should be obvious that the violent crime and murder rates are very much higher in countries with less restrictive gun laws. As any journolist worth his salary would have determined before bringing up his word processor. Therefore, this is excruciatingly poor journalism.
We should most definitely arm more Americans, train them in safely operating, and storing their weapons like responsible adults. Sane, non felon citizens, should all have the right to self defense, as well as being able to use the TOOL responsibly for hunting/sport/etc. If people choose not to own a gun that is their choice, but they have no grounds to deny others the right. Afterall, as the old saying goes (and it is most definitely true), "When seconds matter, the police are just minutes away". The response time in my area is 17 minutes... makes you feel REAL safe doesn't it? How about that other saying your parents probably taught you when you were young, "Better to have it and not need it, than to need it, and not have it".
Ah, Lynn.. you hit the nail on the head my friend... thats EXACTLY what they want. Add the PEOPLE to that list as well.
I feel the solution might possibly be the exact opposite, to be honest. Growing up Im sure we all heard either ours, or one of our friends parents say at one point or another "You're so hardheaded, and since you won't listen, one day you will learn the hard way!" so... why dont we let people who want to rely on the police, learn the hard way? Seperate the laws by rural/large metropolitan area. Ban all guns in cities over a certain threshold of population density, and leave everyone else alone. Then sit back and watch the tears flow and the people fleeing the cesspools since the police cannot protect them like they believe they do in their fantasy land.
In 1938 the German government passed the German Weapons Act, requiring restration and tracking of all arms for German citizens (to make it easier to pull them out of circulation), as well as removing the ability for Jews to own firearms and ammunition. Later that year they passed the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which banned all Jews from having ANY weapons at all.
To add to your other points.. The police response time in my area is 17 minutes. Whats yours look like? Anyone want to spend 17 minutes with a criminal who has a weapon, trapped in your house, praying/hoping he doesn't get a weird itch, or think you looked at him and can now ID him to the cops? Have fun...
Timmy, great post, unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears, as the people who want to outlaw and constrict the ownership of guns do not listen to logic, they listen to shiny graphs that say "Europe: Not many guns, not many deaths" "America: :A lot of guns, a lot of deaths" while completely ignoring the reasons behind the difference, and falling for the diversion so easily. Guns are a tool, nothing more. Ban guns, criminals will use knives and the knife crime rate will skyrocket, just like in England. And Ill tell ya what, Ive been both shot, and stabbed. Id much rather be shot.
You do know that the Colorado shooter did not do most of his damage with his "assault rifle" because it jammed. He did most of his shooting with a handgun. No one in the theater even TRIED to stop him...THAT is the problem. P.S. You know what is even more dangerous than a nut job with a select fire gun, who sprays and prays a theater of UNARMED people? A man with with a level head and ANY gun who picks his target, aims, and puts ONE round where he means for it to go. Just one of those in that theater, and it might have ended much sooner.
You're absolutely free from guns.. No one is forcing to own, carry or operate guns, and they never will. You want to escape from people who own guns? Why? What did a lawful gun owner do to you, to make you want to be seperated from them? You want to be free from people who merely want to be free... what does that show you about yourself? You want to be controlled..
I want to be seperated from people who dont excercise. Its my right to be free from higher insurance bills and hospital bills due to overweight people weighing down my health system, why can't I be free of that? I want to be free of people who arent hauling anything, but drive large vehicles, and free from people who tell me how to live, as long as Im not hurting anyone else. How about I tell YOU what you NEED and don't need. It's your opinion that you dont need an assault rifle. Its my opinion you need more excercise, less food you enjoy, less sleep, and more time at work to pay more taxes. Should my opinions be mandated as laws as well? Afterall, its for all of our own good!
Except you cannnot compare the USA with Europe on this particular issue without delving much deeper, because there are far too many outstanding influences on the way this country is run and the way we live, compared to those countries. Only someone who is being intentionally blind or intellectually dishonest can stand there and say that take away the guns and you turn America into Europe, just like that. What about the size of our land area? What about the fact that a lot more people in America live in rural areas, where they NEED guns? What about the racial diversity here, as well as immigrant and local long standing traditions, that most often clash, or dont assimilate well? Only someone who is so naive as to take the propaganda bait, hook line and sinker can say something so illogical as "just do like Europe" and think it will solve the gun violence in this country. How about solving the underlying issues to the problem, like wealth disparity, unemployment, gangs, radical mixes of people who dont wish to homogenize, etc, instead of trying to bandaid the problem by taking away peoples TOOLS? O, I know why, because your party didn't tell you that is what needed to be done.