Ron Paul Delegate Count Rises from Romney Missteps and Frivolous Lawsuit

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Last week, IVN commented on a lawsuit brought by alleged delegates to the Republican National Convention. The Republican National Committee, while stating that suit was frivolous at the same time organized all the named defendants into a united defense against this litigation. There is no indication yet that the complaint in the action was served on any defendant or that the RNC has voluntarily appeared and moved to take any pretrial actions. What is clear: Ron Paul’s delegate count continues to rise.

That lawsuit while wrongly brought in California will either be shipped to Massachusetts or a new one will be filed in Massachusetts because of very ill advice by the MA Republican Party, which is now seeking to strip Romney bound Paul supporters of their delegate credentials. Whether the two Massachusetts Paul supporters who were Romney bound delegates were removed is unclear.

As reported in the Boston Globe, the Romney campaign in Massachusetts attempted to have the state Republican Party enforce an affidavit requirement  that was never mentioned in the Republican Party’s rules for selecting delegates and has never been required of delegates in the past to disqualify 17 Paul  delegates and alternates. These individuals had failed to deliver in time an affidavit swearing, under the penalty of perjury, that they would support Mitt Romney’s nomination for President.

The Globe reported that “A spokesman for the Massachusetts Republican Party would not say why the affidavits were required of delegates this year, and the chairman of the Allocations Committee would not agree to an interview. Instead, the chairman offered an e-mailed statement saying that the Romney campaign, through its representative on his committee, had the right to reject delegates for “just cause”. Specifically, the Globe story noted:

“Governor Romney’s campaign, through its representative on the Allocation Committee, made the decision not to certify certain delegates and alternate delegates who were unwilling to sign and return on time the affidavit. The Allocation Committee agreed, by a unanimous vote, that these individuals’ failure to sign and return the correct affidavit on time constituted ‘just cause’ for not being certified as national delegates.”

The Boston Globe which despises Romney has been making hay over this with editorials denouncuing the Romney campaign. Given that the Globe is a national media opinion maker, this is getting picked up elsewhere.

As a result, various “process servers” stoked by the Massachusetts incident are serving the complaint on various state Republican Parties. One person announced that on Monday he drove to the Republican Party of Maryland in Annapolis to serve the papers, record the name of the person to whom he served the papers and the time he/she received them, and then contact Lawyers for Ron Paul.

In fact, Richard Gilbert, speaking for Lawyers for Ron Paul announced on Blog Talk Radio that Lawyers for Ron Paul was “taking over” the Paul campaign. This was a follow-up to a press release to the same effect by Lawyers for Ron Paul. They also announced 3 new websites: www.ronpaulgrassrootsrevolution.com, www.weareallronpaul.com, and www.realgrassrootsrevolution.com.

Mr. Gilbert in that radio interview did make 2 salient points – overlooking the “plaintiff” and venue issues. First, he correctly noted that the lawsuit did raise a cognizable federal question and did not depend on “diversity” of citizenship for federal intervention. Two, Mr. Gilbert noted that Judge Carter is a no-nonsense judge. And, three, Judge Carter would make a quick decision.

While initially IVN thought that Judge Carter would dismiss the action for lack of venue, it is now more likely given the Massachusetts purge that in lieu of dismissing the action with a refilling, Judge Carter will exercise his discretion pursuant to Section 1406 of Title 28 of the United States Code and transfer the action to the United States District Court in Massachusetts. And, Judge Carter will likely leave to the Massachusetts District Court the mechanics of cleaning up the complaint.  Also, if the action is transferred, whether Mr. Gilbert can continue as lead counsel is doubtful.

The Masschusetts situatuion brings the focus back to Louisiana and Oklahoma situations. Gilbert asserted that Romney’s forces engaged in organized violence against Paul supporters. Romney is really in a no-win situation in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Romney was crushed by Santorum and under the old winner take all rules he would be shut out of delegates. As it is, he has some delegates in both states. Both the Louisiana and Oklahoma Republican Party factotums despise the Paulites. And, in both states, the state Parties which have no loyalty to Romney set about electing Santorum delegates and were determined to do it irrespective of Romney’s choices as to delegates.

In Louisina, amid violence caught on cell phone cameras and then posted to You Tube, two rival slates were elected. It so happenned that in Louisiana the Romney campaign supports seating the Paul delegation, because the Louisiana Santorum delegates are a problem for Romney. In Oklahoma, its unclear what the Romney position is but there are two rival delegations and there are Paul Convention delegates elected from Congressional Districts.

The Paul Campaign is viewed by border and Southern state Republican parties as unwrranted intruders. Until very recently the Republican Party in the South was country club dominated state party. While Republicans routinely carried these states at the Presidential level, at the state level and the courthouse level – save for Florida, Texas and Virginia, it was not until the mid-1990’s that Republicans routinely won state and local offices in the South. The party establishment in these states were and are tight cliques who have a “To the victors belong the spoils”.

Because of the focus on the lawsuit – as fueled by the Massachusetts situation – overlooked has been what has been happening at the state level in terms of delegates over the last two weeks. For starters, given the GOP allocation system of the candidate’s delegates being chosen for him/or her, the number of Ron Paul supporters continues to grow.

While Paul was shut out in Idaho, Montana and Utah last week, he scored a big win at the Oregon State Convention and MAY have scored a big win in Texas. Oregon is a Convention that chooses the delegates bound according to the primary state. There are 25 delegates to the National Convention that are to be bound to presidential contenders based on the primary vote statewide. A 3.5% threshold was required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates.

In Oregon, Romney was entitled to 18 delegates, Santorum 3, Paul 3, and Gingrich 1. Delegates were chosen at district conventions on Saturday June 24rd.  There are 4 ballots in each Congressional District: 1 for each of the 3 Congressional District delegates (total 5 districts × 3 delegates = 15 delegates) and 1 for the statewide ‘at-large’ delegates (total 10 delegates). The delegate candidate(s) receiving the most votes will attend the National Convention.

Each person selected as an Oregon delegate has to sign a pledge that he/she shall vote at the National Convention for the candidate for the President of the United States he/she favors until the candidate is: (1) nominated; (2) receives less than 35% of the votes for nomination at the convention; (3) releases the delegate from the pledge; or (4) until two convention nominating ballots have been taken.  Should a delegate refuse to cast his/her vote in accordance with this pledge   the Chairman of the Oregon delegation shall report to the convention floor that delegate’s vote in accordance with such laws and rules until such time as that delegate is released from his/her pledge. The Oregon rules do not discuss nominations. It appears that Paul won at least 10 delegates in Oregon. There were allegations of Louisiana-Maine-Oklahoma shenanigans.

In terms of actual delegates, Paul supporters can be placed into 3 baskets: (i) Those states which the Paul people control or are essentially tied with Romney; (ii) Paul supporters who can vote for Paul; and (iii) Paul supporters bound to other candidates.

In terms of the first category, are: Colorado 18 delegates, Iowa 23 delegates, Louisiana 27 delegates [maybe], Maine 21 delegates, Minnesota 32 delegates.

In the second category are:  Alaska 6 delegates, Hawaii 3 delegates, Missouri 4 delegates, New Hampshire 3 delegates, North Carolina 6 delegates, North Dakota 2 delegates, Oregon 3 delegates, Pennsylvania at least 5 delegates, Rhode Island 4 delegates, Vermont 2 delegates [though 2 more bound for Paul], Virgin Islands 1 delegate, Texas 18 delegates, Virginia 3 delegates, Washington 5 delegates.

There are additional Paul supporters bound for other candidates: Arizona 3, Arkansas 6 to 10, and Georgia 8 to 10 [maybe], Massachusetts 16 [maybe], Michigan 8, Nevada 22; New Mexico 8; Oklahoma 10, Virginia 20, Wyoming 1. And, the Paul supporters clearly control the Alaska delegation.

Finally, it is unclear how many “stealth” delegates there are in the Texas delegation or in other states. This is very important in understanding the real Ron Paul delegate count. For starters, in state conventions the Paulites have shown themselves to be very adept at parliamentary procedure throwing state conventions into knots.

What everyone agrees is that while these delegates are bound to vote for other candidates until released, they are not bound on any other issue including the Vice Presidential nomination. In addition, under RNC rules, to be nominated for the Presidency a candidates needs a plurality of delegates to be nominated.

While Paul has a clear plurality to be nominated in 3 states, Iowa, Maine and Minnesota – given that Louisiana is a contested situation, the issue then arises whether bound delegates are free to nominate him but then vote against him. If that scenario exists the 3 states to do that prior to recent actions were Massachusetts [perhaps the reason for the Romney play there], Nevada, Virginia, and possibly Alaska. In fact, an argument has been made that the Paul people could nominate Paul for Vice President.

This number of delegates is causing both the Paul Campaign and the Romney Campaign problems. Almost all delegates to National Conventions are typically party officials, elected officials, or donors.  Attending a Convention as a delegate, while exciting, is not cheap.  Depending on where one is coming from the expenses can run from $2,000 to $6,000.

For elected officials and party officials, they can rely on campaigns or party coffers to cover that.  Donors can afford these expenses as well.  That is why donors are sought as delegates. They can pay their own way, want to come back again, and therefore will not go rouge. Putting aside the Paulites agitation over these Romney moves, the Paulite takeover has upset many in the donor class because it shows: (i) Romney ineptness; and (ii) denies them a chance to go to Tampa.

A number of the Paul delegates are first timers. The trip to Tampa is a financial issue – add in Romney/RNC tactics that they regard as unfair and it is a toxic situation.  Minnesota Public Radio carried a story about Ron Paul delegates trying to cut expenses at the Republican National Convention. As is the case in other states, most Minnesota Republicans who are headed to this year’s national convention in Tampa are first-time delegates, and they’re finding out that the trip will cost them thousands of dollars and are trying to save money.

The financial pressure is one issue. The second is – if one reads the various Paul forums controlled by activists – many Paul delegates are very upset with the Campaign lead staff located in Texas who received large amounts of money from the Paul Campaign – particularly Jesse Benton, the campaign manager, for “selling out” to Romney. Also, Doug Wead, the campaign advisor, has taken his share of attacks. Both are now seen as enablers of “Romney-Establishment violence”. And, to say that Rand Paul is toxic with these delegates is an understatement.

The net effect of this – lawsuits aside – is that the Romney forces have got to figure out a Paul strategy because the Paul campaign has a problem with its own delegates – particularly because Gilbert announced on radio that Lawyers for Ron Paul were taking over the Paul Campaign.

The Paul forces that in fact control the Alaska Republican Party, the Nevada Republican Party, and the Virginia Republican Party are liklely to retaliate by  daring the Republican National Committee to retaliate. The most immediate dare is likely that these states give Dr. Paul  the sufficient number of delegates for Paul to be nominated in retaliation for Massachusetts.

It does not help Romney when Conservative blogger Pamela Geller asserts, “Is there a Ron Paul putsch under way?” with Geller asserting Congressman’s followers “behave like Occupy fascists”. Geller and Robert Spencer co-founded the Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization of America, an organization which is labeled as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League of B’Nai Brith and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last time IVN looked, Geller is not a delegate.

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  1. dan6105 TO ALL MY RON PAUL FANS I WILL SEE U IN TAMPA!!!!!GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!HELL YES.....
  2. dan6105 will it like this obama is going to win mitt cant bet him so wake up ron paul can win so if u want obama again keep doing what u doing and we will get in 2016 it up to u dum ass ....as u guys see it ron paul got the people.
  3. Mike Smullin re. the below, why not organize a big bus to go around and pick everyone up at every state capitol? lol! or a relay system of coordinated taxies picking up carpools at designated waypoint locations to and from FL? come on Paulites, we can figure this out... why not a Kickstarter or Indiegogo campaign to get Paul Delegates to Tampa?
  4. Len Sno I'd like to correct several posts here. We here in Missouri who support Dr. Paul do not disrupt. In fact, at our state convention we lost by a small margin, and spread the message of peace and liberty, making friends across lines. I have watched MANY videos of caucuses, and only seen Romney-antics and fraud done to Ron Paul supporters. Most of the people I know who support Dr. Paul are over 30. His is the only foreign policy that makes sense. Lets fix this country first. America is sick, it's economy almost terminal. Dr. Paul has the cure.
  5. lakawak His count has risen all the way to 200! That oughta make Romney's 2100 look small!
  6. susaneldridge Lies ...all lies! The true count is probably the other way around ...Ron Paul 2100 ...Romney 200. Don't worry ...we'll get to the bottom of it. Have you ever been to a Ron Paul rally vs a Romney rally? .. here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53n-L7OmYg
  7. Ryan Bernier To all you puppets out there (you probably don't know who you are) Ron Paul has every right to continue amassing delegates, he is following the Republican party's rules every step of the way and is still campaigning. It is the MEDIA that has deemed this election over long ago, it is not a factual statement. Until the Tampa Convention the race is still on and there is no Republican nominee. Ron Paul has a far better chance against Obama because his support extends far beyond the Republican Party so you Mitt Romney pinheads (yeah that's right) are to blame for believing the hype that he has the best chance against Obama. We'll see just how well that works for you in November. Obama is an extremely vulnerable candidate given his horrendous track record as President but if anyone can lose to him its Romney (or Gingrich, Santorum or all others not named Ron Paul). I think dark days lie ahead unless we all start pulling our heads out of the sand.
  8. Susan Manning I'm a Paul supporter, and a Republican who believes the GOP has strayed quite far from it's traditional classical liberal philosophy. The point of all this, for Paul and most of his supporters, is to return to it. Absolutely that's disruptive, but what revolutions isn't?
  9. susaneldridge David ...you are sadly mistaken. Go do some research ...educate yourself. RON PAUL's foreign policy is the only one that makes any sense. Look up blowback. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zsp4tBUnQ
  10. susaneldridge Maria ...RON PAUL is that "small town honest down to earth man" you're looking for ... he's one in a million and you'd be hard pressed to find another like him. RON PAUL wins or EVERYONE loses!
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dan6105
dan6105

TO ALL MY RON PAUL FANS I WILL SEE U IN TAMPA!!!!!GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!HELL YES.....

dan6105
dan6105

will it like this obama is going to win mitt cant bet him so wake up ron paul can win so if u want obama again keep doing what u doing and we will get in 2016 it up to u dum ass ....as u guys see it ron paul got the people.

Mike Smullin
Mike Smullin

re. the below, why not organize a big bus to go around and pick everyone up at every state capitol? lol! or a relay system of coordinated taxies picking up carpools at designated waypoint locations to and from FL? come on Paulites, we can figure this out... why not a Kickstarter or Indiegogo campaign to get Paul Delegates to Tampa?

Len Sno
Len Sno

I'd like to correct several posts here. We here in Missouri who support Dr. Paul do not disrupt. In fact, at our state convention we lost by a small margin, and spread the message of peace and liberty, making friends across lines. I have watched MANY videos of caucuses, and only seen Romney-antics and fraud done to Ron Paul supporters. Most of the people I know who support Dr. Paul are over 30. His is the only foreign policy that makes sense. Lets fix this country first. America is sick, it's economy almost terminal. Dr. Paul has the cure.

lakawak
lakawak

His count has risen all the way to 200! That oughta make Romney's 2100 look small!

Ryan Bernier
Ryan Bernier

To all you puppets out there (you probably don't know who you are)

Ron Paul has every right to continue amassing delegates, he is following the Republican party's rules every step of the way and is still campaigning. It is the MEDIA that has deemed this election over long ago, it is not a factual statement. Until the Tampa Convention the race is still on and there is no Republican nominee.

Ron Paul has a far better chance against Obama because his support extends far beyond the Republican Party so you Mitt Romney pinheads (yeah that's right) are to blame for believing the hype that he has the best chance against Obama. We'll see just how well that works for you in November. Obama is an extremely vulnerable candidate given his horrendous track record as President but if anyone can lose to him its Romney (or Gingrich, Santorum or all others not named Ron Paul). I think dark days lie ahead unless we all start pulling our heads out of the sand.

Susan Manning
Susan Manning

I'm a Paul supporter, and a Republican who believes the GOP has strayed quite far from it's traditional classical liberal philosophy. The point of all this, for Paul and most of his supporters, is to return to it. Absolutely that's disruptive, but what revolutions isn't?

Cathy Giancola
Cathy Giancola

Someone brought up something that got me thinking. Ron Paul fans call themselves libertarian's and constitutionalists - they swear they are not "GOP"....so why are they fighting so hard to go to the convention?

petecox
petecox

Still voting for LESSER of two EVILS? How's EVIL be working out for YOU? RON PAUL 2012

michael
michael

"For starters, in state conventions the Paulites have shown themselves to be very adept at parliamentary procedure throwing state conventions into knots."

AKA: Paul supporters are insisting the meetings be run the right way and this pisses the party off.

Maria Rosario
Maria Rosario

nothing against Ron Paul.. but what is needed is a small town candidate, a honest dwn to earth man. someone new to this, a not for sale person.. a John F. Kennedy type!!

David W Carey
David W Carey

Jason, you mean you'd hate it if the rest of the world rebuilt us, fed and clothed our people, loaned us money, fought off hostile armies without asking for anything in return? Because that's how America treats the world.

Jason Pratt
Jason Pratt

and how are his foreign policies terrible? please explain? I'd hate to see what we, as a country, would do if the rest of the world treated us the way we do them.

Dean Klein
Dean Klein

I hope not, Ron's foreign policy ideas are terrible :/

HJU
HJU

I really appreciate your write up, however, your facts are a bit off. First it was 17 Ron Paul supporters removed in Mass, and the complaint is against the RNC and its many state units, brought in CA because events happened all over the country. However, we will see, I can't say I'm an expert on procedure. I CAN say the stuff pulled nationwide in this election really NEEDS to come out, regardless of whether they picked the right remedy (I'd have gone to abolish party preferential ballot access by states making people bound into voting in these corrupt party circumstances)

Nanson Hwa
Nanson Hwa

Ron Paul's common sense approach to politics reminds me of Will Rodgers.

David W Carey
David W Carey

The Paul cultists supposedly believe in law and order and fundamental rights, but they act like obnoxious bullies and try to shout down anyone who they disagree with - even in official meetings. The rules don't apply to them. Arrogant zealots are not independent voters.

Ted Hewitt Ofs
Ted Hewitt Ofs

I prefer Ron Paul to Romney. But if he splits the vote Obama will win.

Robert L. Olson
Robert L. Olson

No doubt that Ron Paul is a thorn in the side of Romney. Obama should be funding Paul's campaign!

Patrick
Patrick

Kennedy type? The Kennedy's were horrible people.

judy morris
judy morris

The Gestapo tactics of the Republican Party in its unjust treatment of the Paulites will profoundly affect the future of the GOP. As an independent voter and a Ron Paul supporter, I applaud the tenacity and bravery of the Ron Paul supporters to confront this evil. I hope that the Dems learned something too and that they will also confront their own party.

Avion
Avion

There is fraudulent and unchecked fraud this year when it comes to the primary season, but mainly at the conventions, where all GOP apparatus are warned before hand of "Paul-Bots'.

From turning lights off during ballot count, to secretly counting ballots, losing entire districts ballots, chairmen refusing to give voice to majority rule, and, violence. Democracy at its finest.

Otter
Otter

Just a heads up.... The Lawsuit is not frivolous... and the title of the article shows bias, and sets the tone of negativity right from the get go.

Most of the article is actually fairly balanced, but the first few paragraphs paired with the title really doesn't make the article credible.

The facts are there are many videos of the GOP breaking rules, and manipulating the votes... and breaking the law in binding delegates with affadavits. The lawsuit is based on that, and on those points alone, makes it unfrivilous.

Duncan
Duncan

So many glaring errors in the English of this article. What, for example, does this mean?

"It so happenned that in Louisiana the Romney campaign supports seating the Paul delegation because the Louisiana Santorum delegates are a problem for Romney."

Sanjay
Sanjay

While Ron Paul is right on empire and fractional reserve central banking, he is wrong on free trade and mass 3rd world immigration.

How can American workers who earn 20$/hr compete with Chinese workers being paid 2$/hr unless America wages come down to 3$/hr to make them competitive in labor market.

And how are we importing 3 million foreign workers every year when unemployment is 22% and 50 million are on food stamps. More than 30 million American workers are unemployed and even more are underemployed.

Unless Future Paul movement leaders put immigration moratorium on the plank, they cannot win.

No libertarian has ever won in a non-White majority district and as America becomes rapidly non-White, libertarianism is dead.

susaneldridge
susaneldridge

Lies ...all lies! The true count is probably the other way around ...Ron Paul 2100 ...Romney 200. Don't worry ...we'll get to the bottom of it. Have you ever been to a Ron Paul rally vs a Romney rally? .. here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53n-L7OmYg

susaneldridge
susaneldridge

Maria ...RON PAUL is that "small town honest down to earth man" you're looking for ... he's one in a million and you'd be hard pressed to find another like him. RON PAUL wins or EVERYONE loses!

Duncan
Duncan

David you're living in a dream world. Look at how many people tried to terrorize the United States before we started occupying all these other countries, about the same as Australia. Study "Blowback" - here's some help - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJc4F1YXPFc

Stop policing the world, spend military money ONLY on national defense and USA might finally stop being hated by most other countries.

Chad Peace
Chad Peace

I apologize for any and all English errors Duncan. We don't have the luxury of a large editorial staff, but we do our best to correct mistakes if could point them out politely for us.

That sentence means that the Santorum delegates, which would be seated in place of Paul delegates, are more anti-Romney than the Paul delegates. Therefore, the Romney campaign would just as soon seat the Paul delegates.

arthurgayton-ii
arthurgayton-ii

Liberty will never die. God created us free men. This is exactly what we need, discussion on the issues. You don't think Paul knows a little about free markets, and global economics? Of course we can't just have pure free markets, yet we can have freer markets. Just as a pure democracy sounds really good, we know that pure democracy can turn into mob rule. Immigration is defintely a problem, especially in a recession. I think this economy has multiple problems, but we do know an economy with fewer regulations and taxes will stimulate business. His ideas to stimulate the economy are multi-tiered. We need to start producing more. My industry is exploding, yet there are so many useless regulations that it hinders it's growth factor. And we all know that we are overtaxed to pay for a government that is ruining the economy through corporate backed legislation, wars, socialistic policies and bailouts. Paul gives us a chance to talk about the issues and to down sized an out of control government.