White House Drone Death Estimates Face Scrutiny
By Steve Hynd | 06/22/2012 | Elections 2012, Issues, President | 23 CommentsJournalists are taking a look at the various Obama administration assertions about the number of civilians killed by US drone attacks in Pakistan and are concluding they are “contradictory and sometimes imply improbable conclusions.”
They all minimize the possible civilian death toll, saying there’s been “a handful.” The maximum figure ever given is sixty. Worse, US policy appears to consider all military age males in a strike area as combatants and thus targetable. There have been 307 drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004. The program began during the Bush Administration, who ordered just 44 drone strikes. Thus, the Obama Administration has greatly expanded the use of drones.
Meanwhile, the UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings has called for the US government to “clarify the procedures in place to ensure that any targeted killing complies with international humanitarian law and human rights and indicate the measures or strategies applied to prevent casualties, as well as the measures in place to provide prompt, thorough, effective, and independent public investigation of alleged violations.”
He’s citing figures from the Pakistani Human Rights Commission, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, and the New America Foundation that say as many as 3,000 have been killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and that perhaps 20% of those have been civilians.
Still, Democrats continue to give the administration a pass on these killings. There’s not even a serious debate among progressives about whether they should actually be contemplating voting a second term for an administration which has out-Bushed Bush, because this is, as it is every election cycle, “the most important election ever!” (TM)
To understand why the existence of a presidential kill list won’t do much to dent Obama’s strong foreign-policy standing, it’s important to remember that Americans don’t just like drone warfare– they love it. A Washington Post poll this February found that 83 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s drone policy. In addition, a whopping 77 percent of liberal Democrats support the use of drones– and 65 percent are fine with missile strikes against US citizens.
In an article entitled “Oversight failures help oil Obama’s killing machine,” the Bureau of Investigative Journalism actually says that “those unmanned killing machines may actually help put Obama back in the White House. Yet like Guantanamo, the cost to the international reputation of the United States may prove devastating.”






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23 Comments
Donny Zaltzberg
06.22.2012
no especially when you consider how criminal our gov is and has become, those are just practice strikes for when the US military uses the drones against US citizens that are dissidents!
Gary McCorvey
06.22.2012
Better 100% civilian Pakistanians (?) than one US soldier. GET US OUT OF THE UN, NOW! And bring all troops home now.
Brad Wright
06.22.2012
No, there are no winners when it comes to war.
Mickael Malove
06.22.2012
How do these numbers compare against using ground forces to engage hostiles hiding with civilians?
Patrick De Simone
06.22.2012
Only 20%? I think every American knows that its probably more like 60-75% range. It’s illegal, its murder, its actually a terroristic act against the innocent. But we are Americans and the international laws don’t apply to us? This is hypocrisy at the highest level. The ICC should put out a warrant for the president and the hear of the CIA. Where is our morals. We need to use Special Forces for kill/capture missions. It’s a small risk but it could drop the civilian death toll to possibly 0 depending on the situation.
Jackie Hinyub
06.22.2012
Atrocious & shameful. We are all ONE – a life lost, is a life lost.
Helen Schuenemann
06.22.2012
And Americans don’t think that our government is growing more terrorists by the bushels? They need to think what they would do with other nations drones in our sky.
Dave Larsen
06.22.2012
Yes
Aaron LaFollette
06.22.2012
TOTAL LIE. Unless of course you actually count everyone of “military age” (12+) a possible combatant – which they do.
Diana Brooks
06.22.2012
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Nanson Hwa
06.22.2012
This shows the defense contractors and military personnel who operate the drones have total disregard for human life. What they see is a target…..a building, a vehicle or suspected underground bunker. I pray God puts them on the hit list to teach them the meaning of compassion and diligence before they fire.
Ian Stermer
06.22.2012
Should we send in troops that still end in civilian deaths as well as US deaths? Or should we leave since Afghan women shouldn’t be able to go to school, have a career, or be in public without their husband’s supervision. Its only the women who really suffer so its not worth our time.
Shaari Rogacs
06.22.2012
No it is not worth it. War is not worth even one innocent death. I think all of these waars should be declared illegal. If we have enimies in this world than protect our borders against them. If they attack our interests abroad than maybe we should be back in our own country where we belong. If you invade another country you deserve what you get. We belong only in the United States. Every other part of the world belongs to someone else and we don’t belong there.
Brenda Fuller Shriver
06.22.2012
Oh well, just ask the government. There’s always “collateral damage”, right? As long as it’s not their near and dear that are the collateral damage.
Ted Edwards
06.22.2012
@ nanson hwa hey stupid my son just returned from afghanistan and he pilotes drones for the marine corps when he’s not a field radio operator he’s also a christian with a consience unlike those third world jerks that don’t even treat there women fairly and if he takes a life its got to be approved by command to stop the killing of innocents unlike random human bombs and IEDs not to mention using women and children for shields do you think for 1 minute that the talliban wouldn’t shoot if our American men hide behind innocents HA. THEY WOULD so next time you take a cheap A$$ shot at a true American hero you better get your facts streight JERK.
Nanson Hwa
07.20.2012
You can thank American foreign policy. Calling me a jerk just shows me you have the same mentality as the Taliban.
Nanson Hwa
08.10.2012
You need to wake up and read my message to you.
Discovered You
06.23.2012
yes it is worth. better the pakistanis than us.
Faith Eischen
06.24.2012
@faitheischen
And fellow Americans wonder why other countries disapprove of our government. To them, through our militaristic actions toward innocent civilians, how could we not come off as nothing but totally predatory?
Charlie Ebey
06.25.2012
If we stop the drone strikes, you know who is going to fill in? The Pakistanis themselves, and if you think our drone strikes are inaccurate (which their not, the Pakistani’s themselves prefer them to their own government’s strikes) then wait till you see the Pakistani’s response. It amounts to something like: “There are 17 insurgents in that valley. Just airstrike the whole valley.” I’m not for collateral damage of any kind, but if we have to choose, its far better to choose the lesser of two evils, no?
Charlie Ebey
06.25.2012
Also, what about “drones” suddenly indicates that we’re on the brink of an Orwellian police state? Its the exact same thing as a fighter aircraft, just the pilot isn’t in it. Its still piloted by a human being.
Edward Theilmann
06.26.2012
Drones are another in the many steps our government has taken in the past couple of decades to sanitize killing to make it easier for the public to swallow.We used to electrocute people in this horrific manner .Sometimes their heads would catch on fire or worse.Now we put them to sleep like the family pet at the vets office.Drones are another example of this .Killing is what America is all about . How sad.
Maria Rosario
06.27.2012
is not worth it,, but did yous know they are also sending drones to spy on American farmers? what a shame,, the road is tilted..