Super-Sizing the Nanny State: Does Mayor Bloomberg Have a Point?
By Alan Markow | 06/13/2012 | Health Care, Issues | 11 Comments
Consider the possibility that we might need a nanny state – at least in some areas. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s war on super-sized sugary drinks has raised the specter of socialism and nanny state control of our lives. But the mayor is responding to a reality in modern America – we’re too fat. Our weight impacts our health, which translates into high health care costs and lower productivity. Should we do nothing about an epidemic of overeating?
If we were facing another kind of medical epidemic – say, a serious outbreak of flu — no one would think twice about emergency action, such as a rule that children infected with flu cannot attend school. In fact, in a serious medical emergency we would expect our civic leaders to do even more to protect us.
The motivation for this is fairly obvious. We want to short-circuit the medical emergency, thus preventing as many people as possible from infection. There is also an economic incentive – we don’t want to burden the health care system with costs that we will all eventually have to bear.
The only real question is whether obesity rises to the level of an epidemic that calls for civic action to protect people and the system. Clearly, you can’t catch a fat virus and second-hand fatness doesn’t exist (or, it has yet to be discovered). Yet, the public health problem is similar to smoking, a perfectly legal act that is strongly discouraged by the government.
It’s even more similar to typical state rules that limit the amount of alcohol you can purchase at one time, or that restrict buying liquor only from a state operated store. Liquor and cigarettes are legal to buy and consume, but regulations controlling these substances are not uncommon. Why? For the protection of the public good.
Since it is well known that cigarette smoke is harmful to people who breathe it in, rules about where you can smoke seem to be for the public’s well-being. Since drunkenness is a danger on our streets and highways, some control over the amount of alcohol that can be purchases all at once seems logical.
There are still some sections of states that will not allow consumption of “liquor-by-the-glass” at bars, but instead only approve bottle clubs. Bars are believed in those states to be havens of crime, hence the regulations against them.
Then, of course, there’s the whole matter of marijuana – a substance believed to be much less dangerous than alcohol. Possession of pot is a crime in most jurisdictions – a felony if the amount carried exceeds a stated limit.
We may not like some of these rules and regulations, but they exist and have passed tests of constitutionality in the courts. So why can’t the same be done with Big Gulp size sugary drinks? The only real difference is the perceived safety of soft drinks and the traditional hands-off approach to such consumables. With new evidence of the growing problems with obesity in the U.S. and the impact of refined sugar on the problem, it’s hardly surprising that an activist mayor would take this particular stand.
The fact is, we’ve been taking “nanny state” actions since the nation was founded as a means of protecting the well-being of citizens. Whether it has gone too far or not is in the eye of the beholder. To many people, what they are seeing right now, is a plethora of fat people all weighing down our public health system.





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11 Comments
Lucas Eaves
06.13.2012
@lucaseaves
After the series of comments against the soda ban on the previous article, it is nice to have an article offering some arguments in favor of the rationale behind such a ban. Bans on where you can smoke cigarettes are fairly recent, smoking was ban on planes in 1989 for the US, and were not without opposition. Today, it would seem crazy to have someone lighting a cigarette in a plane. In 20 years, it will also seem weird to find 30oz sodas in restaurants if NY Mayor can go through with this ban. It just a question of habit.
anonymoustom
06.13.2012
No similarity between sugar drinks and alcohol. Alcohol can lead to a car crash on the way home killing lots of people. Therefore, the issue is can you drive when intoxicated. Safe driving is the issue, alcohol is only the instigator of poor driving. No way to keep people from getting killed if we allow drunks on the road with no limits.
Obesity, on the other hand, is quite different. As soon as we quit providing free health care – make everyone pay for their own – and allow insurance companies to charge premiums based on factors such as weight (they do now on smoking), then there is no danger or risk to the rest of us is you want to gorge on pizza and beer and 64oz sodas.
It is correct that their is a connection between sodas and health care, and therefore cost to others for bad behavior. The answer, however, is mistakenly focused on limiting what you can drink instead of stopping the health care giveaways.
Alan Markow
06.13.2012
@Alan_Markow
Under your logic, people throughout most of the rest of the world who truly receive free health care should be much fatter than Americans. That is not the case. There is nothing innate about our health care system that makes people fat. If your logic held true, we’d actually be skinnier than most people because we have the least public support for health care of any developed country.
Anonymoustom
06.14.2012
I said no such thing, nor did I imply in any remote way. Your article tied sodas to insurance costs and the obligation of the rest of us to pay for it. If you read what I said again you will note that my contention is simply to let people eat what they want but don’t make others pay for it. A proper reply from your vewpoint would be “well, free health care is going to remain, like it or not, either through universal insurance or through laws that allow uninsured people access to care through emergency rooms,etc., so it is unrealistic to think we aren’t going to have to pay. Therefore, limiting what people eat IS our business.”. That would have been a rational reply.
Lauren Moore
06.14.2012
@laurendimitra
Honestly, with all of the negative hype around about high fructose corn syrup, and artificial sweeteners, I’m surprised the mayor has picked the battle over the size of a drink, rather than quantity. Had Bloomberg chosen to ban HFCS or splenda, I feel he would have gotten less push-back.
Amos Cooper
06.14.2012
@adcooper12
He probably would have received a lot more backlash. It would be somewhat of a hassle for soda companies to change a portion of their recipe in order to just be able to sell their products in New York.
Lauren Moore
06.14.2012
@laurendimitra
I understand that but there are so many groups out their right now rallying and lobbying for healthier eating, as well as the ban HFCS. So he would have already won over thousands of individuals who together could have made that happen. And it wouldn’t have been too much of a hassle- the industries would have just needed to return to the recipes of the 70′s- when products tasted better and were healthier (oh and smaller).
Amos Cooper
06.14.2012
@adcooper12
I agree that it would be better to return to recipes using sugar. However HFCS comes from corn which is extremely abundant and cheap here in the US. Eliminating it entirely would most likely force companies to increase their prices. I’m unsure of how much or how little this raise would be but most of the time big companies like Coke and Pepsi will work hard to save as much money as they can. If it means pouring money into lobbying against potential legislation like this they’ll probably do it.
Amos Cooper
06.14.2012
@adcooper12
The way that I see this new ban is New York is losing the convenience factor of being able to order say a 32oz soda all at once. It’s still possible to get 32oz of soda if you’d like you just have to buy two 16oz drinks. It seems here that Bloomberg is using psychology to combat obesity. If ordering two drinks is less convenient then someone will probably just order one reducing their intake of sugar.
Lauren Moore
06.14.2012
@laurendimitra
I agree that he is using a psychology factor, and honestly I approve. What will make this choice unfavorable will be the fact that buying two 16 ounce drinks will be much more expensive than just ordering the regular old 32 ounce. So instead of being a pure convenience factor, it now becomes about the money.
Kathy Mitro
06.15.2012
Your arguments about the flu do not stand up. Flu has no goodness to it. In other words there is NEVER a single instance where it is good for someone to contact the flu. Highly sugared food on the other hand is a source of instant energy. People in insulin shock , starving individual,severely dehydrated people all need sugar, need sugar fast and need pure sugar.
Soda does not stand alone in the world as being the only source of high calories.
Because it does not , it does not follow that to ban large soda portions you are curbing obesity. Candy contains more sugar. Do we want candy also limited to size. No more bags of candy, .
How about fat and calories that is even worse than sugar. The fat causes heart disease. Let us then assume we must limit the size of hamburgers, limit the size of steaks. limit the amount of doughnuts (which by the way are the most emptiest of nutrition of any food and also the most unhealthy)
The limiting is endless so to avoid this conundrum of what to limit the answer is we must limit nothing, or we will live in a world devoid of free choices.
W e must also make it legal to feed all hungry individuals in whatever manner is available to us.